Film to watch, listen and understand

[Marlin]

... and I'm not even sure if anyone's vote really matters.

If all of the few selectable options to be voted for really amount to the same effects,
how could the votes matter?

("David Icke" might also be an interesting keyword on such matters.
Do not blame me however if such a search will return any kind of different result... )

I found it kind of strange, to be voting for faces to represent dictatorial powers for the next election period rather then for actual issues concerning peoples lives.

Those "representatives" are not even bound to implement, what they promised ...

... Ron Paul ... Plus he's opposed to wars ...

didn't "Obama" kind of say such things?
And didn't both drink / eat dinner / shake hands or such with GWB?

I also find it kind of strange to have the notion that groups, representatives thereof or something appearing in such a way,
could assume the moral right to take away individual rights ... even of non group members.

(Consider watching Philosophy on Liberty a.k.a. Liberty for Dummies.)

The "punishment" of victimless crimes could f.e. be considered criminal/morally wrong.

Having said such, I also consider, it could be right/just/fair/sensible, to declare the resources
of the earth to be the common heritage of its inhabitants...

[Marlin]

But not to vote is not enough. We must also to spread what they do with our lives, with our money, with our work...

Maybe the problems would not appear to be so big,
if it was in fact "our money".

But it is not.

It is "their" interest bearing debt money, that we are pretty much forced to use.

And the outstanding debts are even bigger than the money supply!

J.F. Kennedy was the one that (re)introduced real American dollars, not "borrowed"
from the federal reserve (private banking cartel).

Boy where they lucky that "some maniac killed JFK."
and his replacement did away with the real American dollars immediately.

About interest:

• many religions where/are opposed to such practice
• almost everything you could have, will get worse/less over time, if no real work is put into it,
  yet it is considered right, that money will grow over time and exponentially so, with interests on interests.

I found (and believed) many of my infos from some videos,
don't act upon it, if the reality, you're living in, is different.

[Psychophanta]

Very true, but you guys (unlike the people from other countries) seem to have a good candidate for presidency, Ron Paul. If I was American i'd seriously think about backing him up as his reform ideas could save your economy. Plus he's opposed to wars (upcoming Iran, Syria maybe) and that says lots about him IMHO.

Inf0Byt3, the aim of the governments is to continue taking advantage from people of the own country and fo the other countries, this is carried out lieing to people.
A logical strategy to make now is to introduce new "good guys" as candidates for presidences, people who promise new very avant-garde things and who promise peace, etc. So, that way is how to easely lie again to the people in order to maintain their control and their power over on.

[Psychophanta]

@Marlin, you seem a conscious one! Spread all that in your near environment.

[Marlin]

Thanks Psychophanta.

I scanned a little back in this thread and found that the video
"To liberate us from 'work' means also: to liberate us to be able to work"
you linked to is no longer available.

"Exigir Trabajo - ..."
This video is no longer available because the YouTube account associated with this video has been terminated due to multiple third-party notifications of copyright infringement from claimants including:

* DocFlix Corporation
* DocFlix Corporation
* Andrés Borghi

Sorry about that.

But looking for "Exigir Trabajo", I found Exigir Trabajo:La Mayor Estupidez.
It starts with text spoken in German (I luckily understand ), then English, with subtitles that could be Spanish.

In case you know of a better or maybe a version with more English text,
it might be helpful to post a link here.

[Psychophanta]

The old link was from a colleage from Argentina which youtube account was deleted.
Here it is the same
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-U72NQ2Dt4
I don't know if there is a version completely in english, but looks like it isn't.

[Thorium]

Same thing with the magnetic motor, which can produce free energy

There is no proof that free energy exists. None of the magnetic motors worked on presentations. You can believe that they work but there is no scintific proof. Quite the opposite, it was disproofen many times, as none presented device workes as claimed.

[Psychophanta]

Since 2008 (the year of the 1st Zeitgeist audiovisual document) there are between 1 and 2 works in the same line, which appear every year and which comes from very different locations in the planet.
Here it is another little pill:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zE6evIcseS0

[Psychophanta]

An expression of german language that means "the spirit (Geist) of a time (Zeit)". Shows the intellectual and cultural situation of an era.

Carl Sagan (1934-1996) was a an example and a model to go to in the authentic scientific community.

Correctly there can be said that he was one of the first visionaries of the deep meaning of the ZeitGeist.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WJ3Fli7iYY

[Marlin]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WJ3Fli7iYY
->

Leider ist dieses Video, das Musik von SME beinhaltet, in Deutschland nicht verfügbar, da die GEMA die Verlagsrechte hieran nicht eingeräumt hat.
Das tut uns leid.

Meaning something like: 'The video is not available in Germany, because of some GEMA music rights issues.'


Just wanted to let you know.

(I may be offline for a while and therefore not be able to notice or respond to any changes here.)

[Psychophanta]

Damn!
What a retardment is there in Germany
You should complain!
India, most countries in Africa and China can watch it without problems. And of course in all zones in SouthAmerica.

Ok,
I can send it to you via uploading it to any web sharing service.
The problem is it is not subtitled in german.
Is there enough subtitles in english for you?

[Danilo]

@Psychophanta:
GEMA is an institution in Germany to enforce copyrights of artists.
Every time you make copyrighted music available to the public, you
have to pay a fee.

More at wikipedia: GEMA -> GEMA - Blocking of YouTube videos in Germany


Workaround:
- Google: "youtube proxy"
- 1st result: http://www.proxfree.com/youtube-proxy.php
- It opens the youtube video with the proxy. Direct link for this video

[Psychophanta]

Hi Danilo,
What you explain is exactly a signal that Germany is one of the most retarded countries in the world.

Another big signal is the ' † ' symbol in the german wikipedia for the biographies of known dead people:
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Platon
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beethoven
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marie_Curie
... or any you choose.

In the past I personally was one who denounced this retarded and nonsense behaviour to laical institutions in the world and also to wikipedia central in USA. Every one answered me that they are on it...

Thanks!

[Danilo]

Thanks!

I'm glad I could help!

[Marlin]

Not only is there GEMA in Germany, but also GEZ
- a "service" to collect money "for public TV and radio programs"...

Recently they introduced a new scheme, to charge people on the basis of
that they are living inside a building - not being homeless.
Their greed knows no limits.
- Of course that is the nature of greed - it knows no saturation!

(I'm uncertain, if I could end up in jail, if I persistently try and refuse payment.)

@Psychophanta:
That is not "retardment", but the consequence of greedy and powerful people trying to satisfy their addictions and staying in power over others...
hiding behind corporations... to avoid personal responsibility for their actions and decisions...

I'm reminded of a video of Michael Parenti: Wealth Creates Poverty.


Even if this may seem somewhat unrelated - I'm not in a state that would allow me to explain the relations too clearly at this moment - suffice it to say, that many evils we may still experience today in "real life" instead of simulations may have come about by humans working against another instead of together...
(I wonder how "human" the sources of these "divide and conquer" strategies really are.)
I'd like to point you to these other videos, I found interesting:

Alfie Kohn - The Case Against Competition
Alfie Kohn & Matt Berkowitz | Education and Competition | The Zeitgeist Movement Vancouver


Edit:
@Danilo:
I tried your direct link to the video and even that tells me the video is not available in Germany.
(I'm only guest at this computer and can't investigate more details at the moment.)

(I'll probably be offline for some time again.)