Film to watch, listen and understand

[Psychophanta]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EewGMBOB4Gg
and still more specially:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Z9WVZddH9w

You can also download it, offered by authors, of course:
http://zeitgeistmovie.com/

There is also spoken in most languages there in the web.

[Heathen]

I agree, Zeitgeist is a good documentary.

[Kale]

Hmmm... i'll watch this later.

Another film that i found interesting is :
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 8312745410
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fitna_(film)

[y3an]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fitna_(film)

HmmmMMm..

Some sourates of the Coran are no more violants than one of the JFK's discours again communism.

Any institution is able to make war, spreading blood, while saying it's for good. Or have a look to french revolution. Or "cultural revolution" in china, lyching while french liberation, the real story of Spartakus, hum.. human History..

Nothing is easy as "this is bad, this is good"..

Isn't it the/one spot of this movie ? ( i only see firsts minutes )


Just saying this because i'm born in a muslim family (not my personal choose, and i don't follow his steps ) , and my father teach me that killing a man is a crime against "god". ..

[garretthylltun]

and my father teach me that killing a man is a crime against "god". ..

Yet, so many are ready to kill thousands in the name of a god. Ironic isn't it? Almost every religion says not to kill another, that it's bad, but look throughout history and count the millions upon millions that have died in religious wars or were killed for religious reasons.

[y3an]

It's also written in american laws to not kill your neighbourgs, it never detained bombs and napalm, dont detained impoverish uranium
Or in French's code civil, but Napoleon has spread blood has a chief in all Europe.

I don't defend religions. I just think muslims are not horribles slaughers.
If we consider that democratie have lead some dark tyrans to power, we can easly make the same cold death comptability.

Hum. Also, have a little look on uses of caricatures on the jews while starts of the last century. It's edifying.

Oh yep, i have nothing against freedom of expresion. I have something against popular lynchage.

The point with religion is realy : It's like another insitution, social matrix.. wathelse..

I don't be "one of them", but i really understand anarchists, punks or isolated monks like Zoroastre

Well.. have a good day !

[Kale]

well lets not get into the religious flame war again, but just agree that these films are worth watching and although maybe provocative also provide something to think about and reflect upon.

Lets all stay friends.

[blueznl]

Yes, we all should be more tolerant!

(Death to all C++ users!!!)

[pdwyer]

and my father teach me that killing a man is a crime against "god". ..

Yet, so many are ready to kill thousands in the name of a god. Ironic isn't it? Almost every religion says not to kill another, that it's bad, but look throughout history and count the millions upon millions that have died in religious wars or were killed for religious reasons.

I remember bringing this up with a hard core <religion withheld for forum rule purposes> right wing guy who was happy about Iraq invasions. I mentioned that there was a "thou shalt not kill" commandment etc and he replied:

" "Thou shalt not kill" means "Thou shalt not murder" and has no relavence to what the military does" :roll: This theology grad clearly had had his lawyers go over the commandments with a fine tooth comb.

In his defence though, this guy did say something that really challenged my thinking and even changed my mind on one thing. He said "the reason for separation of church and state was not to prevent the the church's influence on govenment but to prevent politicians wielding the power of faith as a tool of influence over the masses" My first reaction was to disagree partly because I have a bias against religion which can give me a blind spot at times but the more I thought about it, the more I had to agree. Polies do suck more than priests

[idle]

that looks interesting. Thanks for the link

[JCV]

scary

[eesau]

If you decide to watch the film, do remember to read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeitgeist% ... #Criticism as well.

[Psychophanta]

If you decide to watch the film, do remember to read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeitgeist% ... #Criticism as well.

Criticism should be never objective, but subjective accordingly to the knowledge of the individual (which everywhen should be the more as possible and not based on prejudgements, mysticisms, dogmas...)
Just when criticism is objective is when it is a dogma.
In other words, it is better to be sceptical. But personally, and from my curren knowledge status, that doc transmits trues at least more than 70%.

[eesau]

Criticism should be never objective, but subjective accordingly to the knowledge of the individual

I agree, it was just a heads up anyway. There is way too much blind acceptance going on these days and people rarely bother to actually read criticism of whatever phenomenon they happen to praise.

[Kaeru Gaman]

but blind acceptance would not be influenced by criticism.
it will chose either the base side or its criticism, but it cannot differenciate and build a synthesis.

on the other hand, people able to synthesize will not need any pre-chewed criticism, they can think on their own.