Film to watch, listen and understand

[Psychophanta]

The movies gives half truths, and omissions, of course, but for sure it is due to the fact that to tell full truths without omissions, there would be needed not 2 hours of movie but much much more.
And as i stated, the biggest omission in those movies is the fact of lack of intelligence in the masses, AND lack of impulse to knowledge at the masses part.

The movie ignores the fact that people tend to relate things in the context with which they are familiar.

You still don't get the main point of those movies:
The movies try to transmit that "the way the people tend to relate things in the context with which they are familiar" is absolute faith.
And there is under a faith (or sets of faiths) where a social system work.
Don't you realize of that?
An example:
if you get to stablish a faith at the people, one individual by one, that money is not needed anymore, and you stablish another faithful (truthful for the people) working system, then the system would work like a charm.
Another example:
You, SFSxOI, in particular have the faith that there exists "terrorism" and "moral", and "crime", just because your education teached it to you, and in general, to masses. Furthermore, you assign "terrorist" and "crime" to those who Bush teached you..., etc.
Get it?
I know, i am liying, no?

[Kale]

in particular have the faith that there exists "terrorism" and "moral", and "crime", just because your education teached it to you,

You are wrong. These things are names we give to a basic human instincts and are not necessarily taught. In fact i agree with Dawkins who says recognizing these traits is essential for survival and propagation of our species. We also naturally recognize what is harmful to our society as a whole too.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4766490.stm

[Psychophanta]

That is a good point, thanks for this aclaration.
In a principle i also agree with the Dawkins idea of "these traits is essential for survival and propagation".
But that might be wrong, i mean: perhaps another different creatures without those intrinsical instincts of harmfulness, or "morals" of what is good and bad, etc. could also survive and propagate.

Anyway, imo, the best thing would be creatures which perfectly KNOW about what cause harmful and what not, what is a "moral", what is a law and what are the causes for "laws" and "morals", etc. but NOT FEEL IT, like humans do. I.e. Creatures which understand almost everything but not feel, not have sentiments (this is the opposit to Kant and other silly and auto-lied thinkers like him).

About
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4766490.stm
i am full of testing children, specially my nieces and nephews below 4 y.o. and of course they are helpful, but they are also harmful, all it are part of the human nature.
My colleage is music teacher of 12 to 16 y.o. people and he is suffering the havoc of this current "educational" system. He experiments the behaviours and personalyties of those people is confused, alienated, unhingued, psychotic due to the social system is also confused and psychotic.

[Kale]

perhaps another different creatures without those intrinsical instincts of harmfulness, or "morals" of what is good and bad, etc. could also survive and propagate.

Such as sharks? I guess only an apex predator could afford such a lifestyle. But even sharks have recently been seen to be social animals.

My colleage is music teacher of 12 to 16 y.o. people and he is suffering the havoc of this current "educational" system. He experiments the behaviours and personalyties of those people is confused, alienated, unhingued, psychotic due to the social system is also confused and psychotic.

I agree. Children are basically trained to work, for a life of subservience. They are not taught to think critically about the world. They are taught to 'toe-the-line' and play by the rules.

In the film 'Zeitgeist Addendum' the guy at the end talking about the Venus Project is absolutely correct in everything he says. I agree with him whole hearted about everything.

[Psychophanta]

I agree. Children are basically trained to work, for a life of subservience. They are not taught to think critically about the world. They are taught to 'toe-the-line' and play by the rules.

The state-of-the-art in matter of sociology and neuropsychiatry states that the next global pandemia for the next decades and perhaps centuries will be mental sickness, depression, etc., and will begin in occident.
Imo, no doubt the cause of it is that this sytems do not look for a placid lifes for eveyone, nor for a placid births (eugenesia) and deaths (euthanasia), in opposition of what the helenic systems was seriously studying and looking for.

In the film 'Zeitgeist Addendum' the guy at the end talking about the Venus Project is absolutely correct in everything he says. I agree with him whole hearted about everything.

Yes, me, LFer (the guy teacher of music) and other ones, we are dubbing to spanish language that audiovisual, and is me who will give the voice to the guy you are referring to. (even mine sounds too much joung for it, but never minds)

BTW, i have the problem that i have to extract the original .avi audio, then mix it with the dubbed one, and then apply it to the original .avi replacing the original audio. I.e. i find no way to mix the audio stream directly to the .avi without having to recompress the .avi. (if anyone of you know a simple soft to do that -no adobe premiere or big soft- i would be grateful).
Windows Movie Maker is able to mix 2 audio streams directly, as it includes a video editor, but the problem is that when saving the final work it saves as .wmv or unpacked .avi, i.e. remakes all, and i don't want it.
When we finish it we will upload to torrent and tell about it to the original authors and perhaps they add a direct link to it or to the torrent in their web. Spanish speaking community in USA and southamerica will be able to watch it without the crap of subtitles.

[Psychophanta]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3CXMENr1Gg

[codewalker]

Psychophanta wrote :

I am proud to present you:
"Who killed the electric car?"

Nicola Tesla, the one who gave us radio (It was not marconi !) and ac current succeeded also in an electric car. He tapped into the energies that are free aroud us in the universe and converted them to electricity. Just like a windmill taps into moving air (wind) that is free around us and converts it with a generator into electricity. Free and pollution free electricity ! This was around 1900. But those bastard governments are surpressing Tesla´s technology because they want to tax everybody by keeping us dependent on oil. They just hate the people to have access to free and clean electricity. But there is hope. All around the world are groups who are trying to reverse engineer Tesla´s blue prints. These groups stay connected with each other on the net, sharing ideas and expierence. One day they will succeed, I am sure of it !
Oh and one more thing, Tesla´s technology has nothing to do with perpetuum mobile or similar bull. Tesla found a way to tap into energies that are already there everywhere in the universe and converted them into electricity. Just like a windmill or a solar cell. Only tesla found another source that has something to do with scalar waves, with for earthly measures, an unlimited sea of potential.
cw

[Psychophanta]

Sorry, can't be without posting this one:
http://www.delaservitudemoderne.org
Short and concise web. But if you don't want to watch the entire film here you have a 2 minutes trailer:
http://www.delaservitudemoderne.org/video-en-BA.html

[codewalker]

Ok I just saw that movie modern servitude. Yes I have to admit it faces us with the fact that we are modern slaves. Yes we are slaves of our credit card, our jobs, our 9 to 5, paying the rent, going to the supermarket, our daily routines in our personal tredmill. Big religions tell us what to believe, Big governments tell us what to do, Big companies tell us what to buy. Yes 95 % world wide is poor. Etc. - etc. etc. etc. But this is nothing new, it is already so many times chewed over and over. And what are the options ? Go live in the mountains ? Producing your own food ? Believe your own believe ? So many tried and so many failed. Anyway who wants to live again like a caveman ? I think modern society also has it advantages. I don´t have to hunt animals for food in a jungle or walk days to find water. I live in a decent house with heating, electricity and running water. See what I mean ? I believe in science and the internet. I believe that science or someone, one day will have a big break through and come up with clean powersupply and that the internet will spread the blue-print for this for everybody all over the world. Yes I would love to see the dirty arrogant oil companies go apeshit and be wiped out by a device that converts the vacuum sea of dirac into 100 % clean and unlimited electricity ( also zero-point energy or quantum flux and already discovered AND applied by Tesla and others around 1900 ) Also I think we are living in interesting times, the world is changing faster and faster every day. The american dream is already dying out, and many more old dreams and believes will die out and people will wake up from them. I think the system of things as we have known it for so long is going to change into something better. Science will have a great contribution to this. The only thing that is certain in existence is change
cw

[Psychophanta]

Must admit your point is good, but not sure.
I mean, perhaps Nietzsche is right one more time when says that there is a human caste that must be far in space from pleb.
Just because any plebs thinks that all is nice, all is as it must be, and can not be better.
I realize this important point i mention, is not pointed in Zeitgeist, neither in delaservitudemoderne, not even in other previous works from XVI century, for example from Étienne de La Boétie, etc. Just only Nietzsche and after him Freud and some few others.
So it would be not strange to me that in the future, some more relevan casts go out to another place, perhaps a colonized planet, but not for a new "american dream", which is defined in the pure personal interest, but a dream which clearly points to a depeloping of intelligence, subsequent species of intelligence much higher than humans' ones, of course.

[Psychophanta]

49 Million Americans Going Hungry

There is estimated that things like that will rise more and more in next decades.
These facts are not the authentic sad news, the saddest one is:

Modern pleb (which is not different than any time plebs) will do nothing to avoid it while there have enough "bread and circus".

So, the recommendation is to get really angry with this merchant system, before to fall in real hungry.

[utopiomania]

Psychophanta, what is (in principle) the problem with a system that enables me to sell you something you need, and
get some money from you that I can use to buy something I need from some other guy?

If that is capitalism, its okay by me, and it is what we here in Norway have been doing in every port of the world for
at least the last 2000 years.

The two problems I do have with this system is that interest rates on borrowed money demands either an exponential
growth in economy (=deplete natural resources), or inflation and social problems,

the second problem is if this system is let loose entirely without proper regulation. (as IMO has happened in the USA
and England).

As for the pleb, the problem is bad public school systems. Stupid people doesn't know what 'the greater good' is all
about, they give a shit about themselves, not the community around them, so they vote accordingly.

[Psychophanta]

My native language is not english, so there is heavy to me to try to explain deep matter correctly en english. So i will tell it to you in few words (Even it is already well explained in Zeitgeist addendum and in the Zeitgeist guide for examples):

Psychophanta, what is (in principle) the problem with a system that enables me to sell you something you need, and
get some money from you that I can use to buy something I need from some other guy?
If that is capitalism, its okay by me, and it is what we here in Norway have been doing in every port of the world for
at least the last 2000 years.
The two problems I do have with this system is that interest rates on borrowed money demands either an exponential
growth in economy (=deplete natural resources), or inflation and social problems,
the second problem is if this system is let loose entirely without proper regulation. (as IMO has happened in the USA
and England).

The background problem of this system is a basis problem. Even there are in fact innumerable problems with this system, i will tell you only one which is enough:
this system promotes that we are all against all, everywhere and everytime, instead to promote just the opposit thing: global and individual collaboration.

The idea of sell or buy has implicit the idea of property, posession.
The idea of posession or property is an individual psycological illusion related to ego.
Under that idea has been built most of the pseudocivilizations in the known human story.


About the pleb concept i think there is already obvious the fact that when i pronounce the word "pleb" or "plebs" it is no other thing that the nietzschean concept. I have lots of explanation of this in spanish, much of it is made by me and a friend, but i have not in english. To understand this may be obligatory to understand Nietzsche's ideology. There are lot of info in english out there. With "pleb" is not referred the low social or economical status, but the ones who are not able to create own values, i.e., "slave morals", the ones who are comfortable when obbey, for example Bush, Obama or most presidents in Europe are slave morals, they are clearly "pleb".

As for the pleb, the problem is bad public school systems. Stupid people doesn't know what 'the greater good' is all
about, they give a shit about themselves, not the community around them, so they vote accordingly.

The issue about bad public school systems falls in the same bag than the bad administration of resources (nowadays redirected or understood as "money").

[utopiomania]

Ok, but I love money, can't get enough of it. And life is good too. Maybe you should stop seeing problems
all over the place

[Psychophanta]

Ok, but I love money, can't get enough of it. And life is good too. Maybe you should stop seeing problems
all over the place

You have been programmed to love money. Take that in account.
And many people think in possible existing problems because it is like playing, and because it is interesting because to escape from a real problem the main thing is to realize about the problem.
Think that in certain way, any game is a bunch of problems, including any video game, like pong or galaxians...
To live is also a game of games. One of the rules now is to get more and more money, more and more properties, and also more and more women... ...this game has the same basis rules than had in the farest human past.

Well, i have question myself sometimes:
imagine humans have no problems with anything, just NO problems. Would invent or design any problem ? YES, and i think games; playing in general.
"To play is the most serious thing that can be done" Nietzsche


Now, seriously, world is in serious problems, like poverty of few ones who die by hungry, etc. and many other things related by Zeitgeist and by scientific community all the time, and by many other sources.
If most people don't realize about the real and basis problems, then world will probably be in serious trouble in not much time (tons or hundred years).