Aperture

[thefool]

i can't get fingers in Logic 8

I have Logic Pro on my MacBook and although it is great I think Cakewalk Sonar is a much better choice. It provides easier MIDI controlling than Ableton Live... You might want to look it up trance sweetie ^_^

Nah ableton live is my choice. I have spent lots of time choosing between the two, and i come to a decition that Sonar is more for recording. Live is simply THE BEST for getting your ideas down quickly. I'll soon have something to put on the forum, the very first track i have made with live. its going pretty good

Selecting between them surely isn't easy. But ableton live and sonar costs the same (or at least around 5-600 euros both) but Live has some unique features and ways to do stuff. Live is exceptionally good for people like me who suddenly feels a rush to implement a new musical idea
Either you like live or you don't. For some, they won't leave it ever they sware, for some they don't get the idea of it

[Irene]

I do like Live, but since I most of the time do MIDI recording and S/PDIF stuff Sonar is a better solution ^_^

[Ollivier]

So, if I wrote Mac is better than PC, it's cause it's real. I'm a PC user and if I had money, I'll buy a Mac. Cause it's a better investment.

I don't know in the other countries, but in France, in the house of teachers, medecins, engineers, I can discuss about the differences. And many of them laugh forever when there's a new OS for PC for example... Why?

The answer is hidden in this movie

So, please no war between us...

[Joakim Christiansen]

With a PC it's easy to build one yourself, upgrade it and change parts. Can this be done on a Mac too? What is the point with a Mac actually, why not just have OS-X for PC?

[Ollivier]

2 jo

U didn't watch the movie above...

[Joakim Christiansen]

I watched it now, I saw the BSOD

[Irene]

With a PC it's easy to build one yourself, upgrade it and change parts. Can this be done on a Mac too? What is the point with a Mac actually, why not just have OS-X for PC?

The OSx86 project seems to be very interesting, but I doubt that it is legal to use OS X on the PC.

Basically a Mac is a PC with only one exception: hardware upgrade is very hard if not impossible. Just like Joakim pointed out above ^_^
Also, Macs are cheap, you're just paying nearly 44% of the price just for the Apple logo (I recall that from a documentary about Macs and PCs, can't remember the name though @_@).

Ollivier: Here's no war between Macs and PCs, we are just telling the truth that Macs simply are bad. Please remember though that Mac <> OS X. If you like the OS more than Windows then it's OK, but it's quite arrogant to believe Mac hardware is better than regular PC hardware. Also, most PC hardware peripherals come with Windows drivers, so apart from musical gear I doubt it that you can use stuff like Firewire LAN drives on a Mac. 6_6

EDIT: I watched the video... Pretty brutal must I say! But apart from it the BSOD fits in nicely there ^_^

[thefool]

I haven't enjoyd macs the time i used them

I do like Live, but since I most of the time do MIDI recording and S/PDIF stuff Sonar is a better solution ^_^

Which i don't, hence live is the perfect choice for me
The only midi recording i do is autiomation from my mixer and the midi keyboard, and thats nothing hard to handle.

Live do work with FLStudio, because they are quite different DAWs so combined i have a nice solution. Live is my main daw though.

sonar sure was interesting, and if i ever need to record a lot of stuff or do the things sonar is made for i'll sure purchase it, as its worth the money

The thing with live is the workflow, though

[Ollivier]

2 Irene

Mac hardware < PC hardware

Well... Could we compare here with a code using CPU ressources and screenshoot the results and configurations to check it?

[Irene]

2 Irene

Mac hardware < PC hardware

Well... Could we compare here with a code using CPU ressources and screenshoot the results and configurations to check it?

Do you mean compile the same code on Mac and PC and test the result? Hahahaha it depends what Mac and what PC you are going to try. Sorry but that is not going to prove anything. It's like making a comparison between Intel Core 2 Duo E6300 with Intel Core 2 Extreme X6800... guess which one is better? @_@

Mac hardware can't be expanded or upgraded while PC hardware is expandable and upgreadable. For example on my PC I have 2 extra sound cards, can you install extra sound cards for Mac hardware? Go and figure ^_^

[Kaeru Gaman]

there were more significant differences in earlier days.

when the step to 32bit came, on PCs the "Protected Mode" was introduced.
an adress was called by a 16bit Segment-Adress, followed by a 16bit Offset within the Segment.
the Segment Adress could increase in 16byte steps,
so after all with this tecnique it was only possible to adress one MB with 32bit.
...they just thought nobody needed more mem when they invented that model.
as a result PCs needed an extra HiMEM-driver, to access Memory above 1MB.
this issue came with the 80286, and was only solved maybe 10 years later by Win95 or 98.

for all this time the Mac used physical adresses, so there it was unimportant if
you had 512KB or 2MB of RAM, you just adressed it without the need for a driver.

back then, Mac-Users had a good reason to laugh about PC-Users.

another point was, that the MAC used a RISC-Processor as CPU,
wich was clearly superior to the x86 architecture.
SPARC-Stations from SUN used RISC processors.
also in this point the MAC was a more serious computer than a PC...

back then, there were good reasons to mess with a crappy mouse and a complex surface - the hardware was worth it.

but... times have changed...

[Ollivier]

Thank kaeru

But Mac doesn't strategy errors : the real difference will be the OS in the future. 'Cause, we'll enter in an other CPU generation in the 10 next years...

[Kaeru Gaman]

sometimes I think Gates and Jobs should just have beaten each other into the hospital,
instead of starting their competition with building up so stupidly big companies...

perhaps it would have been better for the world...

[Rook Zimbabwe]

Look I can settle this once and for all... (yes I know this has been mentioned but y'all are on a different time zone and I havn't had my rant space yet!!!)

PARTS

Even Apple does not have parts support for some models still under warranty or contract warranty. You cannot buy parts to repair your Cinema Display (the Power Supplies last an average of 8 months after the warranty ends.) The Power Supplies for the G4 and G5 are difficult to find unless you own the current model.

I had spent weeks looking for the correct replacement part... or similar.

I had 45 units (G5s with 23 inch cinema displays) at TUFTS U in MA... All the displays started going bad... we easily replaced the CCFL tubes in those 12 displays that needed it. We rigged workarounds for the BALLAST that burned out the original CCFL... the only stinker was (a) NO WAY TO REPAIR THE POWER SUPPLY AND NO WAY TO GET OTHERS) and (b) APPLE finally admitted the units were under warranty but they didn't have any of that series... the offered a "discount" on the NEW MODELS... of 75% of the remaining balance of what they paid for extended warranty...

If you cannot buy parts for it... it is crap.

[Irene]

Ummm yeah, those were the old times, now we're in 2007 guys O_O