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[FloHimself]

And Opera is such a nice product, that you have to place an ad in your signature?

[Trond]

And Opera is such a nice product, that you have to place an ad in your signature?

No, I placed it there because I hate Opera.

[FloHimself]

n1!

[dagcrack]

Yes, i checked the list for the last entries... Most are bogus, with links to porn or gambling sites.

I would advice setting up those type these letters in the image here things...

This is called CAPTCHA. And if I remember well, the implementation in this forums are a joke. With a simple filter you can get rid of the noise, and you've got yourself perfect characters to compare.

A good captcha would have random backgrounds as well as random font types, sizes and deformations.

About browsers: I use both Right now at Opera but I use Firefox a lot, I'd say its 50% and 50% so they dont get sad.

[PB]

> Not on Windows 2000. It crashes on startup.

You know as well as we all do that isn't true for ALL systems. It may crash
on your W2K system, but certainly not my brother's, nor the thousands of
W2K systems running it all over the world.

Opera is good, I agree. But Firefox is so customisable for me that I can't
replace it. I use Firefox for these primary reasons:

(1) Lets me remove any ads (eg. pics, iframes, etc) from a site.
(2) Lets me right-click a site even if the webmaster doesn't want me to.
(3) Lets me easily get items from the cache that I've browsed.
(4) Doesn't swap the focus while a page loads (IE is notorious for that!).
(5) Converts plain text links into clickable hyperlinks (such as mailto etc).
(6) Lets me replace text of sites with my own text (eg. remove profanity,
or highlight specific text by replacing it with CAPS, etc).
(7) Lets me change the layout of a site to my own liking with WYSIWYG
editing in realtime (eg. expand text to fill the width of the browser instead
of the first X percent that the webmaster forced it to use, etc).
(8 ) Keyword searching from the Address Bar (eg. I type "pb text" to search
these forums for "text", without having to visit these forums first).

Until another browser does ALL those for me, I'm not leaving Firefox.

[GeoTrail]

Opera with this topic, this url, osnews.com and the transfers tab opened uses less memory than Firefox with only one empty tab opened. Now tell me who's bloated.

Who cares if the browser uses 5 mb of ram or 15? Most PC's today have atleast 1 GB of ram installed.

Not on Windows 2000. It crashes on startup.

I got Windows 2000 Pro on my old laptop, been using Firefox on it for a couple years too, without any problems

[dagcrack]

*laughs*

(2) Lets me right-click a site even if the webmaster doesn't want me to.

Thats because the javascripts they use have IE dependencies!.

Most webmasters are small little rats who steal code from others. If they were going to write this routine, they would obviously support as many platforms as possible. A real webmaster would at least know this.

And if the guy has a little of intelligence, he should be able to read the code and understand that at least it wont run on non IE browsers, therefore he could keep on looking for another source that would.

Just wanted to make that clear, It's not a Firefox feature per se, it's just that this websites code is aimed for IE only.


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[Trond]

Opera with this topic, this url, osnews.com and the transfers tab opened uses less memory than Firefox with only one empty tab opened. Now tell me who's bloated.

Who cares if the browser uses 5 mb of ram or 15? Most PC's today have atleast 1 GB of ram installed.

You, not I, started talking about bloatware.

(1) Lets me remove any ads (eg. pics, iframes, etc) from a site.

In Opera you can remove anything BUT iframes, but you can remove the content of them.

(2) Lets me right-click a site even if the webmaster doesn't want me to.

Opera does that.

(3) Lets me easily get items from the cache that I've browsed.

How is this done in Firefox?

(4) Doesn't swap the focus while a page loads (IE is notorious for that!).

This is optional in Opera.

(5) Converts plain text links into clickable hyperlinks (such as mailto etc).

Opera lacks this. So does Firefox. (Do not tell me it can be done with an extension. It can be done with an "extension" for Opera as well.)

expand text to fill the width of the browser instead
of the first X percent that the webmaster forced it to use, etc

In Opera we've got a button for this.

(8 ) Keyword searching from the Address Bar (eg. I type "pb text" to search
these forums for "text", without having to visit these forums first).

Opera does this.

*laughs*

*posts screenshot of opera preferences window*

[PB]

> In Opera you can remove anything BUT iframes, but you can remove
> the content of them.

Removing iframes is superior because by blocking the frame you don't
need to block all its individual items inside.

>> Lets me easily get items from the cache that I've browsed.
> How is this done in Firefox?

"about:cache" in the Address Bar, or "Page Info" and "Media" tab to save
the individual page components.

>> Doesn't swap the focus while a page loads (IE is notorious for that!).
> This is optional in Opera.

I specifically meant this is an IE problem, ie. open two IE windows and click
a link in both, then while you're at one window, usually the other will pop into
view when the page loads -- quite annoying. I like things to load in the
background for viewing when I am ready, not the browser.

>> Converts plain text links into clickable hyperlinks (such as mailto etc).
> Do not tell me it can be done with an extension.

Why not? Extensions are PART of the Firefox experience. Ignoring them
is like running a clean install of Windows and then NOT installing any apps.

> It can be done with an "extension" for Opera as well.

I didn't know Opera had extensions now. From which version?

>> expand text to fill the width of the browser instead of the first X percent
> In Opera we've got a button for this.

In Firefox you don't need a button -- just edit the site once and it stays
that way the next time you visit it. Anyway, that was one example --
not a specific thing. Firefox can customise the layout of any web page
by letting the viewer drag and drop the items around. Such settings are
persistent and work the next time the page is viewed. It's an extension,
yes, but a very good one.

Basically, what I'm saying is that Firefox works perfectly for all my needs.
Extensions do a lot of the work, but so what? It's what makes Firefox great.
Firefox feels like PureBasic to me, ie. fast and customisable beyond belief,
whereas with Opera I feel like I am not in control of my web browsing.
That's the difference. In fact, I was a die-hard Opera fan before Firefox
came along, but Firefox has definitely surpassed it.

Oh, one other thing: with an extension in Firefox, I can view IE-specific
pages WITHIN Firefox, without having to launch IE to view those pages.
Can Opera do that?

Also, some market share stats for you to consider:

http://marketshare.hitslink.com/report.aspx?qprid=0
http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp

If Opera was that good, then surely more people would be using it?

[Inf0Byt3]

@netmaestro:

SexyRussianGirl doesn't look legit, and sexyrussiangirI appears to be a joke. Recommend removal of both.

I made that joke... I am sorry if i upset you .

[Edit]

I joked with sexyrussiangirI not with the first one SexyRussianGirl

[Dare]

Why do browsers get such ardent (fanatical even?) support from their users?

Is there some sort of economic reward for pushing a particular barrow? (j/k).

Is it some sort of Freudian corporate memory thing (albeit recently formed) that remembers the harsh old days when Netscape was the dominant, and IE was the underdog, and websites were actively hostile to users of the "other" browser?

Or is it an ego thing? "I use it therefore it must be the best and be seen to be the best or it reflects badly on me."

Seems to me they all have + and - features.

Sooooo ... in the interests of, um, science ... those of you who are ardent supporters of a browser, why? And just saying "it is the best" is a cop out. So why, emotionally, is it so important to defend and promote it?

[PB]

> So why, emotionally, is it so important to defend and promote it?

I just like to educate people on why Firefox is the best browsing experience.
So when they say such-and-such can do it all too, I tend to correct them.

[Dreglor]

who cares if one browser is better than the other (unless your comparing IE then that is a different story).
I thought we were talking about removing illegal users... *cough*

[Dare]

Could be now that they're removed this is no-mans-land.

I have a theory (and I am not immune or above this so I am one of the herd (flock?) here) that says we validate ourselves and enhance our own self worth by association. For example, if:

I wear incredibly cool designer-label clothes so I am incredibly cool.
My clothes are a free advertising billboard for big, powerful, successful companies therefore I am big, powerful, successful.
My car/bike is big and has plenty of staying power and acceleration/thrust - therefore so does my phallus.

But I am not sure how browsers fit into this.

My browser is the best technically, absolutely cutting edge, therefore I am an incredible geek?

[Joakim Christiansen]

who cares if one browser is better than the other (unless your comparing IE then that is a different story).
I thought we were talking about removing illegal users... *cough*

Indeed, and I guess a new web browser is like a new religion these days.