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I can say for last 10 years Internet became annoying by many aspects.
Talking about web-resources - after spending some time in freelance ["working for food"], I know how they are made, where and how they getting content, and many other internal crap. And that's all really crap, just type something in google and you will see what tons of bullshit it will bring to you in 90% cases ^^ For Google some AI is really needed to clean up search results of that SEO-ed monotonous trash (of course if they will be interesting to do it).

But well, that topic is not about how I hate all that "commercialization" and so on.
While I don't like it, I like much if sometimes find someones' homepage. Unlike commercial sites, the homepages mostly are still as they were in past - made original (both by content and site CMS/other realization) and thus interesting.

So if you have nothing to do in nearest 10 mins, but have own homepage, post it here with some history of it's creation and how it is made, etc. I think collecting list of them would be interesting :)
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I know what you mean. I have a website but it is like every other wordpress site at the moment. I use to enjoy creating small/optimized flash sites before html5 took over. Nothing against html5. Just never switched over to it. Recently I have been thinking of redesigning my site but going back to basic html, animated gifs, etc. Just want something that loads fast and looks retro.

These newer websites have a lot of the same features, which whatever, but the annoying thing is that they load a lot more scripts than they use to. Some scripts or even ads can keep a page spinning forever if it doesn't load properly or even lock up your pc.

I like PureBasic's main site. It's loads fast and is straight to the point. I'm glad Fred hasn't changed it throughout the years.
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The thing with web-dev is experience and technical stuff doesn't matter. It's UI/UX most big earners there don't even know anything about SGML, SSI, Perl, PHP, Ruby on Rails, Python, RSS, CSS, CSS bugs, XML, RSS, TCL etc..

At most they'll modify light PS markup or configure something like Genesys for WP then collect their thousands or tens of thousands for a layout that breaks under other platforms and has XSS vulnerabilities.

All the old tight-community with lots of text files and comradely and technical-challenge type stuff I think you guys are talking about died with the XP cheap computer boom of the early two-thousands.. Everything is abstract "normal" people engagement and niche marketing now. The portion of the net that was taken up by spam is still there. Botnets are bigger now because more people who think only losers know about tech or non-prescription black-framed glasses and an illustrated JS book make you geek types are online with their up to date anti-virus on un-patched software boxes..

I basically have a WP site these days because I don't have time to manage a site. I have some plugins I wrote for it running. I had websites over the decades though especially during the geocities/angelfire/freewebs/bigpond era.. Dark color schemes as far as the eye could see.. It's in my profile.

P.S. if there was a site with a copy of the anarchists cookbook in it's content and a forum I was probably a member.
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Everything these days seems to be massive text and pictures, and you have to scroll down to read more.

Such as this website: https://i.imgur.com/1kdOpVO.png

I hate that style of website, with a passion. :evil:
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tj1010 wrote:The thing with web-dev is experience and technical stuff doesn't matter. It's UI/UX most big earners there don't even know anything about SGML, SSI, Perl, PHP, Ruby on Rails, Python, RSS, CSS, CSS bugs, XML, RSS, TCL etc..
The same applies to almost any freelance position; a resourceful person could easily milk a good living from a scarce education. But don't expect to land a job with just the ABCs.

Nevertheless, a decent web developer wouldn't need to know anything beyond HTML, JavaScript, CSS, PHP, and MySQL. Client-side programming predominantly requires the first three, and most web hosts implement LAMP, which covers the last two. In addition, a good handle on AJAX, session management, and socket/transport security would be ideal. And some worthwhile frameworks/technologies to know would include jQuery (JavaScript), Bootstrap (HTML5), and SASS/LESS (CSS3).

The others that you mentioned are either alternatives (Perl, Ruby, Python), extensions (XML, SSI, RSS), or simply obsolete (SGML, TCL). :wink:
Dude wrote:Everything these days seems to be massive text and pictures, and you have to scroll down to read more...
The single-page scroll-div designs have become quite popular, but are not necessarily mainstream. However, in the age of large-screen displays, text and images have to fill the increased screen real-estate. The alternative of utilising centralised fixed-width containers are becoming more and more impractical.
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For my own homepage : http://www.raxntrax.com , I keep it as simple as possible : plain HTML + <img> + <map> :D
Only downloads are protected by an asp-request.

OTOH : all software you'll find there is ofcourse programmed in Purebasic + asm :P
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TI-994A wrote:
tj1010 wrote:The thing with web-dev is experience and technical stuff doesn't matter. It's UI/UX most big earners there don't even know anything about SGML, SSI, Perl, PHP, Ruby on Rails, Python, RSS, CSS, CSS bugs, XML, RSS, TCL etc..
The same applies to almost any freelance position; a resourceful person could easily milk a good living from a scarce education. But don't expect to land a job with just the ABCs.

Nevertheless, a decent web developer wouldn't need to know anything beyond HTML, JavaScript, CSS, PHP, and MySQL. Client-side programming predominantly requires the first three, and most web hosts implement LAMP, which covers the last two. In addition, a good handle on AJAX, session management, and socket/transport security would be ideal. And some worthwhile frameworks/technologies to know would include jQuery (JavaScript), Bootstrap (HTML5), and SASS/LESS (CSS3).

The others that you mentioned are either alternatives (Perl, Ruby, Python), extensions (XML, SSI, RSS), or simply obsolete (SGML, TCL). :wink:
Dude wrote:Everything these days seems to be massive text and pictures, and you have to scroll down to read more...
The single-page scroll-div designs have become quite popular, but are not necessarily mainstream. However, in the age of large-screen displays, text and images have to fill the increased screen real-estate. The alternative of utilising centralised fixed-width containers are becoming more and more impractical.

SGML didn't die till HTML5 was supported by a majority of clients which was within the last few years. You can actually still get away with 4.01 and have most of the features of 5. I think AnyBrowser Standard even uses 3.1. TCL yeah I remember learning it in the early two-thousands for UI and CGI I believe and even then it had sketchy support. I think TCL is still used in IRC some place as a default.

I actually feel sorry for people getting in to tech now there is no mystery to anything and you just click light palette desktops. I still remember reading about machine code and hacking and crypto and being really intrigued and ambitious on Apple II school computers and even later with 286, 486, and P*. Games were actually boring compared to writing tools and exploring the OS. Now even if you're motivated you can't really analyze everything at a low level because it's gigabytes and mostly binary or millions of lines of C++ that works in discreet levels of abstaction with a lot of structures and pointers.
sq4 wrote:For my own homepage : http://www.raxntrax.com , I keep it as simple as possible : plain HTML + <img> + <map> :D
Only downloads are protected by an asp-request.

OTOH : all software you'll find there is ofcourse programmed in Purebasic + asm :P
I don't see many people using image-maps these days. I'd put a captcha on that contact form not just for spam blocking but to block 'fuzzers'.

I would of used SVG. Less bytes and you can animate it.
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sq4 wrote:...I keep it as simple as possible : plain HTML + <img> + <map>...
Nice; always loved custom-drawn mapped interfaces. With a little CSS3 and JavaScript, it could easily be made responsive, with some animation and hover effects.
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Dude wrote:Everything these days seems to be massive text and pictures, and you have to scroll down to read more.

Such as this website: https://i.imgur.com/1kdOpVO.png

I hate that style of website, with a passion. :evil:
That's funny kind of stupidity with screen resolutions ^^
> 2005 - drawing 20 buttons at 800px (or 1024px) using font size 6-7-8, all is fine
> 2016 - drawing 3 extralarge buttons at 1980p with larger font size. feel the true progress.

But well, such stupidity can now be seen in many things which "evolved".

sq4 wrote:For my own homepage : http://www.raxntrax.com , I keep it as simple as possible : plain HTML + <img> + <map> :D
Only downloads are protected by an asp-request.

OTOH : all software you'll find there is ofcourse programmed in Purebasic + asm :P
Looks nice. I'm using only CSS+HTML, as the single really useful thing in javascript is ajax (which is not needed for me anyway).
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Some of the HD stuff makes sense because of pixel density. Up-scaling destroys bitmaps.

I'm a big fan of AMOLED 4k even though the burn-in problem isn't solved even on LG's budget. I think percentage-width with calculated aspect-friendly height is the way to go. I'm a minority with that though it seems. Everyone jumps through adaptive versions of layouts.
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