Windows 7 Flicker

IdeasVacuum · Post by **IdeasVacuum** » Tue Jun 23, 2015 3:35 pm

Cut a long story short - developed 95% of my app on WinXP, resumed development today on Win7 (updated PC).
Very noticable flicker of the window if -->mouse-over ButtonImageGadget() that has a ToolTip<--. No Flicker with the same app on either XP or Win8.1.

So, trying apps not coded by me - Serif DrawPlus, same trigger, but the titlebar flickers rather than the client area. UltraEdit - no flicker; IrfanView - no flicker; HyperSnap - no flicker.

Has anybody seen this issue before? Is there a magic wand solution?

Julian · Post by **Julian** » Tue Jun 23, 2015 4:32 pm

Not seen that before, do you have a simple piece of example code to show the problem so we know what we're looking for?

Could be a drive issue if it happens with apps that I assume are not written in PB?

IdeasVacuum · Post by **IdeasVacuum** » Wed Jun 24, 2015 1:43 am

It is probably not app code per say (functions based on API, possibly a trigger - most likely PB uses API for tooltips). I have since tested my app on another Win7 machine - no flicker at all. I'm going to test balloon tips as a work-around, but perhaps it is an OS + GPU thing - so many variables in the PC equation.

IdeasVacuum · Post by **IdeasVacuum** » Wed Jun 24, 2015 2:33 am

...So, balloon tips also trigger flicker (and they are ugly anyway).

It would be fairly straightforward to define a custom tooltip method, but certain key gadgets (buttons!) do not support event types got focus/lost focus.

IdeasVacuum · Post by **IdeasVacuum** » Thu Jun 25, 2015 12:58 am

Snippet. Difficult to reproduce with a simple window, generally need a window that is busy with a lot of gadgets - then the flicker is more pronounced than in this snippet. The tooltip for one gadget has to overlap an adjacent gadget to trigger the flicker:

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EnableExplicit
UsePNGImageDecoder()

Enumeration
#Win
#Panel
#Ctr01
#Btn01
#Btn02
#Btn03
#Btn04
#Str01
#Str02
#Str03
#Str04
#Str05
#Str06
#Str07
#Str08
#Str09
#Cvs01
#Cvs02
#Cvs03
#Cvs04
#Img01
EndEnumeration

Global igImg.i = CatchImage(#PB_Any,?AnImage)

Procedure OpenWin()
;------------------
Protected iFlags.i = #PB_Window_SystemMenu | #PB_Window_MaximizeGadget | #PB_Window_ScreenCentered

              If OpenWindow(#Win, 0, 0, 480, 440, "Win 7 Flicker", iFlags)

                     SetWindowColor(#Win, RGB(096,096,096))

                        PanelGadget(#Panel, 5, 5, 470, 430)
                      AddGadgetItem(#Panel, -1, "Tab 0")

                           ContainerGadget(#Ctr01,   2,   2, 458, 400, #PB_Container_BorderLess)

                              ButtonGadget(#Btn01,  20,  20,  50,  50, "Btn01")
                              ButtonGadget(#Btn02,  70,  20,  50,  50, "Btn02")
                              ButtonGadget(#Btn03, 120,  20,  50,  50, "Btn03")
                              ButtonGadget(#Btn04, 170,  20,  50,  50, "Btn04")

                              StringGadget(#Str01,  20,  75, 200,  25, "Str01", #PB_String_BorderLess)
                              StringGadget(#Str02,  20, 110, 200,  25, "Str02", #PB_String_BorderLess)
                              StringGadget(#Str03,  20, 145, 200,  25, "Str03", #PB_String_BorderLess)
                              StringGadget(#Str04,  20, 180, 200,  25, "Str04", #PB_String_BorderLess)
                              StringGadget(#Str05,  20, 215, 200,  25, "Str05", #PB_String_BorderLess)
                              StringGadget(#Str06,  20, 250, 200,  25, "Str06", #PB_String_BorderLess)
                              StringGadget(#Str07,  20, 285, 200,  25, "Str07", #PB_String_BorderLess)
                              StringGadget(#Str08,  20, 320, 200,  25, "Str08", #PB_String_BorderLess)
                              StringGadget(#Str09,  20, 355, 200,  25, "Str09", #PB_String_BorderLess)

                              CanvasGadget(#Cvs01, 240,  20, 200,  50)
                              CanvasGadget(#Cvs02, 240,  80, 200,  50)
                              CanvasGadget(#Cvs03, 240, 140, 200,  50)
                              CanvasGadget(#Cvs04, 240, 200, 200,  50)

                               ImageGadget(#Img01, 240, 260, 200, 120, ImageID(igImg))

                           CloseGadgetList()

                             GadgetToolTip(#Btn01, "This is Button Gadget 01")
                             GadgetToolTip(#Btn02, "This is Button Gadget 02")
                             GadgetToolTip(#Btn03, "This is Button Gadget 03")
                             GadgetToolTip(#Btn04, "This is Button Gadget 04")
                             GadgetToolTip(#Str01, "This is String Gadget 01")
                             GadgetToolTip(#Str02, "This is String Gadget 02")
                             GadgetToolTip(#Str03, "This is String Gadget 03")
                             GadgetToolTip(#Str04, "This is String Gadget 04")
                             GadgetToolTip(#Str05, "This is String Gadget 05")
                             GadgetToolTip(#Str06, "This is String Gadget 06")
                             GadgetToolTip(#Str07, "This is String Gadget 07")
                             GadgetToolTip(#Str08, "This is String Gadget 08")
                             GadgetToolTip(#Str09, "This is String Gadget 09")

                            SetGadgetColor(#Ctr01, #PB_Gadget_BackColor,RGB(046,046,046))
                            SetGadgetColor(#Str01, #PB_Gadget_BackColor,RGB(096,096,096))
                            SetGadgetColor(#Str02, #PB_Gadget_BackColor,RGB(096,096,096))
                            SetGadgetColor(#Str03, #PB_Gadget_BackColor,RGB(096,096,096))
                            SetGadgetColor(#Str04, #PB_Gadget_BackColor,RGB(096,096,096))
                            SetGadgetColor(#Str05, #PB_Gadget_BackColor,RGB(096,096,096))
                            SetGadgetColor(#Str06, #PB_Gadget_BackColor,RGB(096,096,096))
                            SetGadgetColor(#Str07, #PB_Gadget_BackColor,RGB(096,096,096))
                            SetGadgetColor(#Str08, #PB_Gadget_BackColor,RGB(096,096,096))
                            SetGadgetColor(#Str09, #PB_Gadget_BackColor,RGB(096,096,096))

                      AddGadgetItem(#Panel, -1, "Tab 1")
                      AddGadgetItem(#Panel, -1, "Tab 2")
              EndIf

              Repeat

              Until WaitWindowEvent(1) = #PB_Event_CloseWindow
EndProcedure

OpenWin()

End

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ozzie · Post by **ozzie** » Thu Jun 25, 2015 1:43 am

No flicker at all when played on my Windows 7 laptop, either on the primary laptop screen or my secondary monitor. Can you try your test on another Windows 7 machine?

IdeasVacuum · Post by **IdeasVacuum** » Thu Jun 25, 2015 11:25 am

Hi ozzie

Yep, it is fine on my daughter's Win7 laptop too. I suspect the flicker (looks like a whole client area re-draw) is always there and the factors that determine whether it is noticable or not are how big and populated the window is, and how fast the PC renders the window - that said, testing an Areo theme, which requires more oomph from the system, seemed no worse than a basic non-Aero theme.

Would be interesting to see if anyone else on the forum can, erm, see it.

I would like to draw my own tooltips to ensure consistency across windows versions but not all PB gadgets are compatible with got focus/lost focus.

deeproot · Post by **deeproot** » Fri Jun 26, 2015 8:09 am

Hi IdeasVacuum

Tested your example here - no flicker at all and tooltips look fine (Win 7 x64 on elderly Lenovo PC, not specially fast, Aero is enabled). Haven't tried my Win7 laptop yet.

Just a thought - had some flicker issues in the past, XP & 7. Not sure of exact causes but possibly (?) associated with many closely arranged gadgets with PanelGadget and also SplitterGadget. Tooltips are on some gadgets, including a few multi-line. Much improved after moving to Stargate's TabBarGadget and self-written splitters.

IdeasVacuum · Post by **IdeasVacuum** » Fri Jun 26, 2015 11:30 am

Hi Deeproot, thanks for testing and your info re Stargate's TabBarGadget. My laptop test is on Win7 x64 (pass), the PC is running Win7 x86 (fail). I have never really been that happy with Windows tooltips anyway, compared to what Javascript has to offer for example.

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