Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by tony_usa.
Hello guys,
I know it might be debatable, but I would like to know your opinion about using PB to build a commercial application. The question is not "can we do it", but rather "is it likely that fantasy software goes bust and suddenly stops releasing new versions of PB?". You know, I don’t want to end up in a dead-end street.
No offense PB team, the program is amazing, but there is Microsoft behind Visual Basic.
Sustainability of PB
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Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by ebknoppert.
Imo it would be very stupid to quit.
I'm using PowerBASIC for my developments.
After inspecting PureBasic i can tell i'm very impressed with the functionality.
I see a lot of changes in the help and has to be better (like the major bugs statements)
If these are solved it's a very good program.
I (ever) can make some suggestions though.
The problem is the stress onto one person.
Imo PureBasic should not do try to creat every aspect for an IDE, focus on the compiler.
It's in a great fase right now i think.
(This said while still not having a real copy yet... sigh)
BTW, in the PowerBASIC forums theres is always the discussion about linux support, PureBasic has a real advantage here (while the market could be small unf).
Imo it would be very stupid to quit.
I'm using PowerBASIC for my developments.
After inspecting PureBasic i can tell i'm very impressed with the functionality.
I see a lot of changes in the help and has to be better (like the major bugs statements)
If these are solved it's a very good program.
I (ever) can make some suggestions though.
The problem is the stress onto one person.
Imo PureBasic should not do try to creat every aspect for an IDE, focus on the compiler.
It's in a great fase right now i think.
(This said while still not having a real copy yet... sigh)
BTW, in the PowerBASIC forums theres is always the discussion about linux support, PureBasic has a real advantage here (while the market could be small unf).
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Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by Kale.
Many people already trust in PB's continuance and develop commercial software with it.
>is it likely that fantasy software goes bust and suddenly stops releasing new
>versions of PB?
I don't think so, Fred has a day job too, plus Fred wouldn't let his baby die
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Many people already trust in PB's continuance and develop commercial software with it.
>is it likely that fantasy software goes bust and suddenly stops releasing new
>versions of PB?
I don't think so, Fred has a day job too, plus Fred wouldn't let his baby die
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Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by Fangbeast.
Nothing at all Edwin. Paul Leischow of ReelMedia Productions runs a professional video production company with BIG commercial apps making a lot of money, done in PureBasic.
Quite a few other programmers do the same.
If there are bugs, they get fixed eventually. It may not be as fast as some hope but the more experienced coders always find ways around it in PureBasic and some do some truly amazing work.
As always, it's what you know about the product and your own experience that makes all the difference.
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Nothing at all Edwin. Paul Leischow of ReelMedia Productions runs a professional video production company with BIG commercial apps making a lot of money, done in PureBasic.
Quite a few other programmers do the same.
If there are bugs, they get fixed eventually. It may not be as fast as some hope but the more experienced coders always find ways around it in PureBasic and some do some truly amazing work.
As always, it's what you know about the product and your own experience that makes all the difference.
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Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by ricardo.
Fred is about starting make good money from his job,i think the recent changes has give some results yet and it will increase this year, all the facts points to a succesfully business here!
And in the other hand... Fred has been very consistent until now, then i cant image a reason for quit when he can see now the results no noly in money, but in making him a well known developer.
I cant find any 'small detail' that makes me think that PureBasic could quit.
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Ricardo
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No way.The question is not "can we do it", but rather "is it likely that fantasy software goes bust and suddenly stops releasing new versions of PB?". You know, I don’t want to end up in a dead-end street.
Fred is about starting make good money from his job,i think the recent changes has give some results yet and it will increase this year, all the facts points to a succesfully business here!
And in the other hand... Fred has been very consistent until now, then i cant image a reason for quit when he can see now the results no noly in money, but in making him a well known developer.
I cant find any 'small detail' that makes me think that PureBasic could quit.
Best Regards
Ricardo
Dont cry anymore...
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Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by Num3.
I'm creating 4 commercial projects for companies on PB.
The first one will be finished this week.
The others are still under development.
But even if Fred quits now, the tool (PB) is functional and serves my needs...
Brings us to that eternal MS question:
Why update to office xp if office 97 does it for you???
I consider myself an "above average" user of office, and i haven't explore all of it's potencial...
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I'm creating 4 commercial projects for companies on PB.
The first one will be finished this week.
The others are still under development.
But even if Fred quits now, the tool (PB) is functional and serves my needs...
Brings us to that eternal MS question:
Why update to office xp if office 97 does it for you???
I consider myself an "above average" user of office, and i haven't explore all of it's potencial...
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Kind Regards
Rui Carvalho
Old programmers never die... They branch into a subroutine...
Michael Angelo did they work using the same tools and stones you can use, but can you do it ?. The compiler is great and we can do anything using it and API complementing.
The question is if Fred can include all the features the modern languages include natively in his commands sets. The GUI elements are very important today, and some gadget need more features like toolbuttons with dynamic image assignment (a la Danilo's ToolBarPro), simple panel with raise, sunken, flat styles; panelsplitter; easy resource management, statusbar with features to include others gadgets inside; etc.
Logically we must evaluate the cost of all this improvements, PureBasic is a cheap compiler and this is his goal, don't forget it!.
The question is if Fred can include all the features the modern languages include natively in his commands sets. The GUI elements are very important today, and some gadget need more features like toolbuttons with dynamic image assignment (a la Danilo's ToolBarPro), simple panel with raise, sunken, flat styles; panelsplitter; easy resource management, statusbar with features to include others gadgets inside; etc.
Logically we must evaluate the cost of all this improvements, PureBasic is a cheap compiler and this is his goal, don't forget it!.
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> No offense PB team, the program is amazing, but there is Microsoft behind Visual Basic.
Microsoft officially stopped Visual Basic with version 6, you know.
The next release, Basic.NET, is literally not the same product.
Also, when was the last time Microsoft listened to your wishes for VB?
PureBasic has a lot more going for it than Visual Basic ever did.
Microsoft officially stopped Visual Basic with version 6, you know.
The next release, Basic.NET, is literally not the same product.
Also, when was the last time Microsoft listened to your wishes for VB?
PureBasic has a lot more going for it than Visual Basic ever did.
> No offense PB team, the program is amazing, but there is Microsoft behind Visual Basic.
Im sure that if the 1% of the VB users knows that here is PureBasic, thousands of them comes here to buy it.
Im not saying that VB will die because PB, not at all, just that many VB users will like to have BOTH compilers.
One example: In VB there is NO way to have real threads!!!
And the examples could be many...
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Far from be an offense its a compliment: Microsoft is a huge company, Fred is only ONE man and in many aspects PureBasic give a better result that VB.
Im sure that if the 1% of the VB users knows that here is PureBasic, thousands of them comes here to buy it.
Im not saying that VB will die because PB, not at all, just that many VB users will like to have BOTH compilers.
One example: In VB there is NO way to have real threads!!!
And the examples could be many...
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Far from be an offense its a compliment: Microsoft is a huge company, Fred is only ONE man and in many aspects PureBasic give a better result that VB.
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I'm a bit afraid of PB's future, too. Just because of the pricing scheme.
I don't know, how much new PB-User buy PB and so spend money for Fred's job developing PB, but at one point in the future, there will be less NEW user, so Fred (or perhaps other PB-coder) will not earn any more money with it. Of course money is not the motor behind Purebasic's evolution, but I think, if PB had always been freeware, it would not be that what it is. - but correct me, if I'm wrong (also in my grammar, btw) Perhaps PB is born of an ideology inside and out ?
I don't want to pay too much for any product, but it is ok for me to pay a fair price for a good one. And livelong free updates run into a dead-end, I think.
At one point in the future, when PB is even more powerful and stable and all the important bugfixes are done, I could imagine of introducing a new pricing scheme. Perhaps it would be a good idea to make a PB-subscription, for a price of e.g. 10 € (10 $) / year. 1.000 users in the subscription would make 10.000€ / year for further developing. Okay, but perhaps I'm talking nonsense in your eyes, then please don't hit me! Of course it could be optional...
BTW: I have NO personal o business-relation to AlphaSND or Fred, this is only my opinion.
I don't know, how much new PB-User buy PB and so spend money for Fred's job developing PB, but at one point in the future, there will be less NEW user, so Fred (or perhaps other PB-coder) will not earn any more money with it. Of course money is not the motor behind Purebasic's evolution, but I think, if PB had always been freeware, it would not be that what it is. - but correct me, if I'm wrong (also in my grammar, btw) Perhaps PB is born of an ideology inside and out ?
I don't want to pay too much for any product, but it is ok for me to pay a fair price for a good one. And livelong free updates run into a dead-end, I think.
At one point in the future, when PB is even more powerful and stable and all the important bugfixes are done, I could imagine of introducing a new pricing scheme. Perhaps it would be a good idea to make a PB-subscription, for a price of e.g. 10 € (10 $) / year. 1.000 users in the subscription would make 10.000€ / year for further developing. Okay, but perhaps I'm talking nonsense in your eyes, then please don't hit me! Of course it could be optional...
BTW: I have NO personal o business-relation to AlphaSND or Fred, this is only my opinion.
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Why?Froggerprogger wrote:but at one point in the future, there will be less NEW user, so Fred (or perhaps other PB-coder) will not earn any more money with it.
Because all the possible users already buy it?
No, the market is so big and its impossible to get that day... even companies like Microsoft cant 'finish' the market...
No way, in fact the logical scenario is the other extreme: one day Fred will need to get some good coders or web developers, etc. to help him because the buyers/users are too many.
There are outthere maybe 10,000 people looking at this very moment for a compiler... the problem is HOW TO let them know that PureBasic is here.
And the next month there will be another 10,000 buyers looking for a compiler...
The question is: What percent of the 'market' are now getting Fred and how could he get a bigger piece of that cheese.
Im sure he is not even at the 0.01% of the market, NOT because his product is not good (its really good) but because he cant invest at the moment in a big campaing like MS with his .NET (every big site and every big magazine has adds about).
The worst thing that could happend to Fred is to sell just good, the best is to sell really really really really really really really really good.
The market is bigger than the actual marketing possibilities of PureBasic, just wait 2 years... and you will see how this small familiar community is bigger than Paris!!
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