Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by ricardo.
Hi,
I dont know of all knows what is Rent-a-Coder, its a way that some code-buyer can find some coder that develop some specific code or procedure, etc. for a specific amount of money.
The buyer post a bid and all the coders that want to develop the code bid asking some $$, the buyer select one coder and transfer the payment to the administrators of rent-a-coder and when the code is finished, if its okay, the money is payed to the coder.
Of course the buyer owns all the rights of the code.
Ok, my suggestion is:
Why not implement something similar for Pure Basic?
With such great coders here, im sure that many of us may need some coder some day that do some part of some code and pay for it.
It could be a good mechanism that rewards the knowledge of some coders here.
Are other interested in having such possibilitie here or maybe in Paul's site or any other well known PB site?
I hope that Fred or someother people implement it.
However i will post soon here a bid request for some PB coders to do some very specific code for me.
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Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by David.
Well, i don't like this stuff of buying code.. and i would never buy it.. i prefer paying you to teach me how to do something than paying you to do the code..
But anyway, thats just me !
Im sure there is lots of ppl out there that dont have time to waste, and needs the code for yesterday, so, good luck ! =)
Well, i don't like this stuff of buying code.. and i would never buy it.. i prefer paying you to teach me how to do something than paying you to do the code..
But anyway, thats just me !
Im sure there is lots of ppl out there that dont have time to waste, and needs the code for yesterday, so, good luck ! =)-
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Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by theogott.
Thats what its about in the world.
Let them have what they want and don't try to force them to think what you believe.
As a non-bussiness person you would of course not pay $$ for a program.
If you have a bussiness and you see every hour there are customers running away cause your actual structure cannot serve them, you have a diffrent calculation.
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Thats what its about in the world.
Let them have what they want and don't try to force them to think what you believe.
As a non-bussiness person you would of course not pay $$ for a program.
If you have a bussiness and you see every hour there are customers running away cause your actual structure cannot serve them, you have a diffrent calculation.
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Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by ricardo.
The reasons could be many for contracting a good coder, one that i see its very important is TIME.
In business its very important to release some application after some date (for many reasons).
Then if a project is big, its possible that you preffer to rent a coder than try to do all by yourself.
I dont make my shoes, my clothes, my tv, my pc... i dont see why i must do everything by myself...
As theogott said:
Something that is commercial is more powerful and spreads FASTER ...
Maybe at the principle the payments cant be good, but once the idea grows... maybe some smart guys can start making some decent money from they knowledge... its fair.
Best Regards
Ricardo
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The reasons could be many for contracting a good coder, one that i see its very important is TIME.
In business its very important to release some application after some date (for many reasons).
Then if a project is big, its possible that you preffer to rent a coder than try to do all by yourself.
I dont make my shoes, my clothes, my tv, my pc... i dont see why i must do everything by myself...
As theogott said:
Something that is commercial is more powerful and spreads FASTER ...
Maybe at the principle the payments cant be good, but once the idea grows... maybe some smart guys can start making some decent money from they knowledge... its fair.
Best Regards
Ricardo
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Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by David.
> Something that is commercial is more powerful and spreads FASTER ...
I don't think that way... I think a well written open-source program can spread much faster, and can be more powerful..
Why ? Well, first, it's FREE ! So anyone can use, test it, send bugs repport, etc. And second, anyone can fix bugs and improve it. So it CAN be more powerful.
It's kinda easy to see that in real life. Debian (a GNU linux distro) fixs their bugs in 24h. And Microsoft can do that in 1 hour.. or a few months.. or years to fix a bug. Many bugs are just fixed on the next OS version.. You have no control about it. You just have to accept it the way it is.
Off corse we have tons of open-crap, but we have some really nice stuff. Just check out the http://www.openforge.net site and see for yourself
Not saying open-source is better, just saying i like that idea. I know that in "real life job" many times you can't do that, but i hope i will never have a "real life job". I like the Open-source and free stuff Freedon
> Something that is commercial is more powerful and spreads FASTER ...
I don't think that way... I think a well written open-source program can spread much faster, and can be more powerful..
Why ? Well, first, it's FREE !
So anyone can use, test it, send bugs repport, etc. And second, anyone can fix bugs and improve it. So it CAN be more powerful.It's kinda easy to see that in real life. Debian (a GNU linux distro) fixs their bugs in 24h. And Microsoft can do that in 1 hour.. or a few months.. or years to fix a bug. Many bugs are just fixed on the next OS version.. You have no control about it. You just have to accept it the way it is.
Off corse we have tons of open-crap, but we have some really nice stuff. Just check out the http://www.openforge.net site and see for yourself
Not saying open-source is better, just saying i like that idea. I know that in "real life job" many times you can't do that, but i hope i will never have a "real life job". I like the Open-source and free stuff Freedon
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Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by ricardo.
Its fair that people get money from they effort or not?
If some guys can do it for nothing... its okay, but we cant ask that EVERYTHING in the web is free, its not real.
Or did a coder dosent eat?
Nobody ask FREE outside the web. The food, the clothes, the rent, everything has to be purchased (i mean everything talking about business, of course the love, friendship, etc. dosent have a price, but a coder need money not to buy love, but to buy his needs) why should a coder work must be free?
Personally i have a family (two children and one wife) and i need to mantain them... its a sin to make business from my codes?
And im sure that everybody here eats 3 time a day.
My point of view...
Best Regards
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Hey... are you a millionaire?I don't think that way... I think a well written open-source program can spread much faster, and can be more powerful..
Its fair that people get money from they effort or not?
If some guys can do it for nothing... its okay, but we cant ask that EVERYTHING in the web is free, its not real.
Or did a coder dosent eat?
Nobody ask FREE outside the web. The food, the clothes, the rent, everything has to be purchased (i mean everything talking about business, of course the love, friendship, etc. dosent have a price, but a coder need money not to buy love, but to buy his needs) why should a coder work must be free?
Personally i have a family (two children and one wife) and i need to mantain them... its a sin to make business from my codes?
And im sure that everybody here eats 3 time a day.
My point of view...
Best Regards
Ricardo
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Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by vanleth.
I like this Rent A Coder idea.
Open-source is strong when it comes to solutions where everyone has the same idea on what the project should be.
The real strength in Ricardo's idea, is when a potential customer want a specific solution done. Then it becomes very handy as a buyer to have a online resource where you can negociate your needs.
I do see some problems with the web as a commercial bargain. It's not very likely that customers like there ideas exposed to everyone. Or a least wants to stay anonymos, until the right coder is found. The same would go for the coders. How this should be dealt, could be a interresting debate.
Also what if a coder fails to deliver the customers request. When the two comes to a disagrement on how the solution should be done. How can this rent-a-coder idea protect the customer and coder, beside trust and good reputation? There would be a need for somekind of generic legal issues. Wouldn't be surprised if there allready is legal stuff online and could be customized to this use.
Anyways I still like the idea. The success of it would mainly depend on how well it is organized.
Best regards
Van
I like this Rent A Coder idea.
Open-source is strong when it comes to solutions where everyone has the same idea on what the project should be.
The real strength in Ricardo's idea, is when a potential customer want a specific solution done. Then it becomes very handy as a buyer to have a online resource where you can negociate your needs.
I do see some problems with the web as a commercial bargain. It's not very likely that customers like there ideas exposed to everyone. Or a least wants to stay anonymos, until the right coder is found. The same would go for the coders. How this should be dealt, could be a interresting debate.
Also what if a coder fails to deliver the customers request. When the two comes to a disagrement on how the solution should be done. How can this rent-a-coder idea protect the customer and coder, beside trust and good reputation? There would be a need for somekind of generic legal issues. Wouldn't be surprised if there allready is legal stuff online and could be customized to this use.
Anyways I still like the idea. The success of it would mainly depend on how well it is organized.
Best regards
Van
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Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by ricardo.
@Rings:
Exactly its from PSC, to be more specific from http://www.rentacoder.com
and they have resolved all the points thatVanleth asks.
Its something like this:
The buyer place a bidrequester explaining more or less what he wants and the $ max budget for this code. He can use any nick to stay anonimus.
Then the coders bid privately (only yhe buyer see the bids and the named of who has bid).
After a period of time the buyer must choose some of the coders or cancel the bid if none of the bids satisfize him.
If he accept the bid of one coder then the buyer pay the money to rent-a-coder.
Every bidrequest has a finish-time that says when the code must be finished.
The coder must be giving reports to the buyer with some codes to show advance (if possible).
Whe the code is finished and accepted by the buyer, rent-a-coder pays the coder and get some comission.
If there are some disagree betwen buyer and coder, rent-a-coder participate in the discussion trying to find a solution or even taking a desicion by reading the bidrequest and checking the code to see if the code are what the buyer ask for.
Its a very nice way to do/buy code.
I have work there a couple of times, 2 as coder and 3 or 4 as buyer. There i found a great PHP yugoeslavian coder that gives me in 3 hours for $25 the exactly code that i was needing for an advanced web site, i found a pretty brazilian girl that makes me awesome graphics for some web pages and an amzaing indian child (11 yrs from india) that codes very nice at C++, etc.
Of course they dont have any cathegory for PureBasic coders, thats why i suggest that Fred, Paul or someone else can implement a PB Rent-a-Coder to start working here and he could get some comission for every work done.
Best Regards
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@Rings:
Exactly its from PSC, to be more specific from http://www.rentacoder.com
and they have resolved all the points thatVanleth asks.
Its something like this:
The buyer place a bidrequester explaining more or less what he wants and the $ max budget for this code. He can use any nick to stay anonimus.
Then the coders bid privately (only yhe buyer see the bids and the named of who has bid).
After a period of time the buyer must choose some of the coders or cancel the bid if none of the bids satisfize him.
If he accept the bid of one coder then the buyer pay the money to rent-a-coder.
Every bidrequest has a finish-time that says when the code must be finished.
The coder must be giving reports to the buyer with some codes to show advance (if possible).
Whe the code is finished and accepted by the buyer, rent-a-coder pays the coder and get some comission.
If there are some disagree betwen buyer and coder, rent-a-coder participate in the discussion trying to find a solution or even taking a desicion by reading the bidrequest and checking the code to see if the code are what the buyer ask for.
Its a very nice way to do/buy code.
I have work there a couple of times, 2 as coder and 3 or 4 as buyer. There i found a great PHP yugoeslavian coder that gives me in 3 hours for $25 the exactly code that i was needing for an advanced web site, i found a pretty brazilian girl that makes me awesome graphics for some web pages and an amzaing indian child (11 yrs from india) that codes very nice at C++, etc.
Of course they dont have any cathegory for PureBasic coders, thats why i suggest that Fred, Paul or someone else can implement a PB Rent-a-Coder to start working here and he could get some comission for every work done.
Best Regards
Ricardo
Dont cry for me Argentina...
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Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by David.
ricardo :
>Hey... are you a millionaire?
>Its fair that people get money from they effort or not?
I just said that "a well written open-source program can spread much faster, and can be more powerful.."
And yes, u can find about anything you want for free, in the Linux and Open Source world.. And thats REAL. Not *everything* (yet) but LOTS of stuff. And more to come.
Just go to http://www.openforge.net or http://www.freshmeat.net and see for yourself.
And yes, a coder does eat. But there is lots of ways for a coder to get some money, stuff like : Teach other programmers for money, write a book, donations, a big company pays you do that free stuff (yes, IBM pay lots of ppl to improve Linux), paid support...
And im not a millionaire or something.. im just a poor country student that hates the way the world/system is.. and trying to live and have some fun.
And just read what u said... : "I dont make my shoes, my clothes, my tv, my pc... i dont see why i must do everything by myself..."
Thats how Open source works !!!!! You dont need to do something that is already done in open source.. Just go and use it. No restrictions (and long as your program is also open source)..
>Nobody ask FREE outside the web.
Thats why i like computers and the web. I think its a great place to start a new and better community.. a place where money is not everything..
The future is Open Source.
ricardo :
>Hey... are you a millionaire?
>Its fair that people get money from they effort or not?
I just said that "a well written open-source program can spread much faster, and can be more powerful.."
And yes, u can find about anything you want for free, in the Linux and Open Source world.. And thats REAL. Not *everything* (yet) but LOTS of stuff. And more to come.
Just go to http://www.openforge.net or http://www.freshmeat.net and see for yourself.
And yes, a coder does eat. But there is lots of ways for a coder to get some money, stuff like : Teach other programmers for money, write a book, donations, a big company pays you do that free stuff (yes, IBM pay lots of ppl to improve Linux), paid support...
And im not a millionaire or something.. im just a poor country student that hates the way the world/system is.. and trying to live and have some fun.
And just read what u said... : "I dont make my shoes, my clothes, my tv, my pc... i dont see why i must do everything by myself..."
Thats how Open source works !!!!! You dont need to do something that is already done in open source.. Just go and use it. No restrictions (and long as your program is also open source)..
>Nobody ask FREE outside the web.
Thats why i like computers and the web. I think its a great place to start a new and better community.. a place where money is not everything..
The future is Open Source.
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Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by ricardo.
Im too from a poor country (Argentina) and i can live with a good level ¿you know why? Because i can sell my software to people that wants it.
I know a lot of coders from poor countries (yugoeslavians, indians, brazilians too, etc) and many of them change their lives because they can make money selling software to people that lives in rich countries.
THATS form me a new ans better community... a place where everyone can grows depending on his efforts
If you want to do something really great for your country and your family then make good money from your hard work... that is fair.
Not giving for free, is best to give EVERYONE the opportunitty to make the money they need according to his knowledge and effort.
If one guy here takes a big effort and get a very good programer.. i think that the most fair thing is if he makes money and can live from his knowledge. You dont need to live in New York or California to sale software, dosent matters if you live in Tanzania or Argentina... this is more idealist for me that the open-source idea.
Best Regards
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Im not agree my friend.And yes, a coder does eat. But there is lots of ways for a coder to get some money, stuff like : Teach other programmers for money, write a book, donations, a big company pays you do that free stuff (yes, IBM pay lots of ppl to improve Linux), paid support...
And im not a millionaire or something.. im just a poor country student that hates the way the world/system is.. and trying to live and have some fun.
Im too from a poor country (Argentina) and i can live with a good level ¿you know why? Because i can sell my software to people that wants it.
I know a lot of coders from poor countries (yugoeslavians, indians, brazilians too, etc) and many of them change their lives because they can make money selling software to people that lives in rich countries.
THATS form me a new ans better community... a place where everyone can grows depending on his efforts
If you want to do something really great for your country and your family then make good money from your hard work... that is fair.
Not giving for free, is best to give EVERYONE the opportunitty to make the money they need according to his knowledge and effort.
If one guy here takes a big effort and get a very good programer.. i think that the most fair thing is if he makes money and can live from his knowledge. You dont need to live in New York or California to sale software, dosent matters if you live in Tanzania or Argentina... this is more idealist for me that the open-source idea.
Best Regards
Ricardo
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Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by vanleth.
Just gave http://www.rentacoder.com a few glances and it looks very successfull. But it also looks like a lot of work to get it going. Think it's abit out of scale for the PB community.
I'm not even sure now if the Rent a Coder idea, fits in with the rest of the PB development community. I'm not to anxious about mixing commercial stuff with the development of language.
Ricardo couldn't it be possible just to use http://www.rentacoder.com for your PB developments. Just tell the buyer to look up your profile and get the deal done.
Just gave http://www.rentacoder.com a few glances and it looks very successfull. But it also looks like a lot of work to get it going. Think it's abit out of scale for the PB community.
I'm not even sure now if the Rent a Coder idea, fits in with the rest of the PB development community. I'm not to anxious about mixing commercial stuff with the development of language.
Ricardo couldn't it be possible just to use http://www.rentacoder.com for your PB developments. Just tell the buyer to look up your profile and get the deal done.
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Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by David.
>If you want to do something really great for your country and your >family then make good money from your hard work... that is fair.
Sorry, i wont waste my life just working, and trying to get rich. Wont get rich telling lies to rich/poor ppl, so i can make more money. Won't do like USA did, starting wars for money, for "power". That's stupid. Just wanna live my life, and have some fun. Don't need to be rich to enjoy life. If ur a USA-wanna-be, bad for u.
Thats like selling my soul to be rich. Life is short, enjoy it.
>Not giving for free, is best to give EVERYONE the opportunitty to >make the money they need according to his knowledge and effort.
Well, thats a capitalism way, and i don't like it. It's just wrong.
I was going to say some stuff about that and terrorists and the USA, but... i wont waste my time.
Anyway, good luck with your project.
Cya.
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>If you want to do something really great for your country and your >family then make good money from your hard work... that is fair.
Sorry, i wont waste my life just working, and trying to get rich. Wont get rich telling lies to rich/poor ppl, so i can make more money. Won't do like USA did, starting wars for money, for "power". That's stupid. Just wanna live my life, and have some fun. Don't need to be rich to enjoy life. If ur a USA-wanna-be, bad for u.
Thats like selling my soul to be rich. Life is short, enjoy it.
>Not giving for free, is best to give EVERYONE the opportunitty to >make the money they need according to his knowledge and effort.
Well, thats a capitalism way, and i don't like it. It's just wrong.
I was going to say some stuff about that and terrorists and the USA, but... i wont waste my time.
Anyway, good luck with your project.
Cya.
" Sou a minoria mas pelos menos falo o que quero, apensar da repressão "