another free form designer...

BackupUser · Post by **BackupUser** » Sun Jan 26, 2003 10:10 am

Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by Kendrel.

i never thought that there would be so much people coding a form designer, but here is another one from T-Master (grabbed it at the german forums). Its completely functional, and it also exports the code... very nicely done... and its free!

http://www.ewetel.net/~doris.gilbers/V_Tool.zip

just wanted to let you know...

this makes my pureform useless now,and i dont have to finnish it that fast

. still my pureform has its mouse control,grid and some other things now, but this thing has all the flags i think and should please you all...

BackupUser · Post by **BackupUser** » Sun Jan 26, 2003 11:37 am

Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by Berikco.

Yep, nice one....seems like the Visual Editors growing on the trees now

Regards,

Berikco

http://www.benny.zeb.be/purebasic.htm

BackupUser · Post by **BackupUser** » Sun Jan 26, 2003 11:41 am

Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by Justin.

Looks good but , it seems there is still some work to be done

when you drag a gadget and it has some part of it outside the window(not visible) , you can't move it

when you put gadgets one inside others they move together , everything messes , there is an important redrawing problem there

just pointing some bugs , i believe the author is aware of this.

nice start .

BackupUser · Post by **BackupUser** » Sun Jan 26, 2003 12:37 pm

Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by Kendrel.

aye... still it isnt the final release of it, and i also recognized some bugs...

the sad thing for Justin and Paul is, that probably no one will buy their tools now... but i think its good for the pb community to have some free tools like this, and making a pb user's life more easy...

just my 2 cents...

kendrel

BackupUser · Post by **BackupUser** » Sun Jan 26, 2003 3:20 pm

Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by tinman.

Originally posted by Kendrel

the sad thing for Justin and Paul is, that probably no one will buy their tools now... but i think its good for the pb community to have some free tools like this, and making a pb user's life more easy...

Well that's the way the computer software market works. If there are free alternatives which are as good as your commercial offering, why should anyone pay for it (though they are all good)? People have to be given an incentive to buy them. Perhaps you get better support and an easier system with Paul's. Perhaps Justin's code generation is better. Perhaps this new free things kicks all their asses

I'm guessing it is being worked on (Franco's PureGUIDE?), but no-one has released a proper visual designer (VB, C++Builder, etc) for PB yet. That would be more incentive than a simple gadget position / size / flag generator.

--
It's not minimalist - I'm increasing efficiency by reducing input effort.
(Win98first ed. + all updates, PB3.50)

BackupUser · Post by **BackupUser** » Sun Jan 26, 2003 4:58 pm

Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by Paul.

Originally posted by Kendrel

the sad thing for Justin and Paul is, that probably no one will buy their tools now...

Hi Kendrel,

I design commercial applications on a daily basis and PureVision was created so I could spend as little time as possible on creating and modifying professional forms and actually work on the code so I could get the application out the door and get paid.

I completely understand that if you just code as a hobby (for fun) you have all the time in the world to code forms by hand or to try out the various GUI designer options that are out there, or even to sit and wait for the next best thing to arrive.

Of course if you want the "here and now", the ability to design professional forms quickly and easily whether you are a professional programmer with many years experience or just a beginner wanting to try new things... PureVision may be exactly what you are looking for.

http://www.reelmediaproductions.com/purevision

The feature list speaks for itself. (as well as the many apps that have been designed using the PureVision/PureBasic combination)

PureVision also has a EULA very similar to PureBasic which means you can install it on any number of computers that you personally operate.

Enjoy

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Visit the PB Resources Site at http://www.reelmediaproductions.com/pb

BackupUser · Post by **BackupUser** » Sun Jan 26, 2003 5:30 pm

Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by Kendrel.

well yes...

i prefer using my own formdesigner now, because it will get all the features "I" need... nothing more and nothing less...

basically i didnt want to waste my time while placing some gadgets, and i really dont need a complete code output with procedures and such.

its good there is something goin on in the pb community... in that way it will grow... and that is always good!

people can choose now between the different tool, and dont need to stick with one they probably dont like... thats the good thing!

so long

kendrel

BackupUser · Post by **BackupUser** » Sun Jan 26, 2003 7:31 pm

Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by Justin.

sad thing? ,

beleive me, i'm not going to cry..

people will choose the one that better fits their needs, for now mine is the only one that does everything i need (haven't tried much the last one, though)

i didn't do it for the money, i have my own business (i'm chemist) , money is not a problem for me, i program as a hobby.

BUT , after spending a lot of time trying to offer something usable an without bugs i would felt stupid giving it for free, 10$ is quite affordable.

BackupUser · Post by **BackupUser** » Sun Jan 26, 2003 7:52 pm

Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by Kendrel.

i agree... it is not much... an also purevision is worth it's money...

but while i was coding pureform, i learned alot of new thinks about pb because i mostly coded in visual basic and blitzbasic before... so for me it was the best solution to do it on my own...

BackupUser · Post by **BackupUser** » Sun Jan 26, 2003 8:10 pm

Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by ricardo.

the sad thing for Justin and Paul is, that probably no one will buy their tools now...

1.- Its not sad. Every tools has its own place, we cant see eachother as a competitor. I develope an earlier GUI desgigner (PB Visual IDE) and i cant see Paul or anybody as a competitor : )

2.- Justin's app...

Where can i found it?
Justine hasnt a website on his profile in this forum and i cant find it on Paul's site...

I insist that its a MUST to have a 'download' page on the purebasic site that points to EVERY GUI designer and many other handy tools (PBToolBox, IETool, etc).
The PureBasic Resources linked at the PureBasic website are bypassing
many usefull things and ignoring the effort of many people developing tools, AND the help that the users could get from this Tools.

Best Regards

Ricardo

Dont cry for me Argentina...

BackupUser · Post by **BackupUser** » Sun Jan 26, 2003 9:41 pm

Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by Justin.

You can download it here:

http://angelfire.lycos.com/amiga2/pbwin ... r2.08D.zip

you'll have to paste the link into a d/l manager or right click & save, no website at this moment, i'll try to upload to somewhere.

competition it's not in my mind either, i just need a good tool to design windows.

i know you are the author of the visual IDE , very good app , in fact the column addition in the listicon is cleary inspired in yours. the only problem was it did not supported all gadgets , so i started mine.

BackupUser · Post by **BackupUser** » Sun Jan 26, 2003 10:49 pm

Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by ricardo.

Hi,

Its very nice!!!!!

THATS WHY I ASK TO LIST ALL THE TOOLS in the PureBasic site, i just dont know that this one exists!!!

I dont like PayPal : (
If you have another way i want to buy it. (Yahoo PayDirect?)

Coded in PB?

the only problem was it did not supported all gadgets , so i started mine.

I dont remember... which gadgets dosent support my editor?

I like Editors that let me manually make my GUI, thats why i started the PB Visual IDE.
Now i want to have some time to develope one in PB (i already have 50% of the code done), but i dont have enough time at the moment.

I understand if somebody sells the editors, but i want to give mine free because i always receive such good helping hands in this community.

I feel like PB still need the DEFINITIVE PB GUI designer (free) with a lot of features, but it take time to develope it, maybe if some of us make a team and develope it togheter...

Best Regards

Ricardo

Dont cry for me Argentina...

BackupUser · Post by **BackupUser** » Mon Jan 27, 2003 12:03 am

Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by Danilo.

Why must always everything be free ??

PureBasic is not free, but everything for PureBasic
must be free?
Thats the general atmosphere in this community
and i dont understand that.

Especially toolkits for programmers are very
expensive mostly ($100, $200, ...) because the
programmer who uses this tools to make apps makes
money himself by selling his stuff to many people.

So $10 or $15 is definetely not to much for the
hard work that the coder had.
If you pay $15 for a nice toolkit you can save
all this coding yourself... you can save much time.

Pay $15 or spend many days writing the tool yourself.
Time is money, so you can save much money when paying
$10 or $15 for a good tool.

Everybody can make its own choice, i just dont understand
why all guys here want everything for free...
When i look at some other languages, there are many many
toolkits from 3rd party developers available.
In this community this is nearly impossible when everybody
should release it for free... after some month of hard work.

And if you dont give it out for free, you get hate-emails
from users that dont like you taking money for your hard work.
Yes, thats true. Thats our community. Makes me think...

cya,
...Danilo
(registered PureBasic user)

BackupUser · Post by **BackupUser** » Mon Jan 27, 2003 2:55 am

Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by ricardo.

Why must always everything be free ??

Hi Danilo,

I understand and respect your point of view. Of course is that NOT everything must be free.
I never read no one saying that EVERYTHING must be free.

In fact im happy that PureBasic are not free, the reasons are obvious.

If I said that i want to give for free my Visual IDE is:

1.- Because many people here so many times helps me and they dont charge me for the help... how can i now charge them???

2.- I start using some FREE stuff to learn programming and now i live from my software... i feel i have to help in my possibilities to some one else.

3.- But, of course -as i live from selling my own software- i DO understand that not EVERY software could be free. In fact ITS NOT the best option.
Per example: in my Visual IDE i dont give any support and i dont work much finding/fixing bugs, etc.
Buyed software ALWAYS have support and the idea to work hard fixing bugs and releasing new version often.

As i CANT offer this, i CANT ask for money for my Visual IDE and i know that is plenty of bugs and its supportless.

I think that everybody here understand the difference betwen free and supported software... i HOPE.

Especially toolkits for programmers are very
expensive mostly ($100, $200, ...) because the
programmer who uses this tools to make apps makes
money himself by selling his stuff to many people.

You are right. If someone here offer some tool like JazzWare (its the name?) for PowerBasic.. a tool for manage Activex., i will pay him for use his software. BUT i will wait PROFESSIONAL SUPPORT and BUG FREE... or at least that the bugs will be fixed in a reasonable lapse.

But we need to make a difference again between giving free some buggy app and charging for some supported app.

So $10 or $15 is definetely not to much for the
hard work that the coder had.
If you pay $15 for a nice toolkit you can save
all this coding yourself... you can save much time.

Yes, that why i want to buy Justin software!! I dont ask him for free, i just ask to use a different method (not PayPal).

Everybody can make its own choice, i just dont understand
why all guys here want everything for free...

It depends on the country... its not the same somebody from USA or Germany that some one from a poor country. Believe me there is a big difference...

When i look at some other languages, there are many many
toolkits from 3rd party developers available.
In this community this is nearly impossible when everybody
should release it for free... after some month of hard work.

Because we are releasing buggy and unsupported applications my friend!!

And if you dont give it out for free, you get hate-emails
from users that dont like you taking money for your hard work.

The people that send this type of hate-emails maybe dont understand the BIGG difference between hobby and unsupported apps and professional ones.

Best Regards

Ricardo

Dont cry for me Argentina...

BackupUser · Post by **BackupUser** » Mon Jan 27, 2003 3:23 am

Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by tranquil.

Software is like sex, its better when its free.

OpenSource roxx. As long as I code, >I< will do it for free. Ever and forever (expecting firms).

Thats my opinion. Only wanted to mentioned it here.

)

Anyway, PB was its money worth. EVERY CENT!

Cheers
Mike

Tranquilizer/ Secretly!
http://www.secretly.de
Registred PureBasic User
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