Time library ?

[Primoz128]

Hello everyone !
I have tried Pure Basic yesterday, i have been searching for long for a language that suits me, i decided to go c++, but then i found Pure Basic, which i will use for whole my life probably along with a Game Maker tool for game development that is going insanely fast into world.

So i was trying to compare the speed of Pure Basic to C++, using a timer with a counter variable, and use counter to loop until 20 seconds have passed, then i would get the result, but i cannot find any kind of timer library... so how can i do this ? "Delay" function cannot be used for this, because it pauses the whole program <.>.

Thanks in advance =).

[STARGÅTE]

with a window: AddWindowTimer()
else: ElapsedMilliseconds()

[Primoz128]

with a window: AddWindowTimer()
else: ElapsedMilliseconds()

Thank you very much !
Btw where can i get those web images for signature, what PB you sue, gfx card etc ?

[STARGÅTE]

This is my service^^

for example:
http://pb.unionbytes.de/PB$4.60%5ERC1_WIN$XP.png

keywords:
PB$, IE$, FF$, K$, WIN$, LNX$, NV$, ATI$, CPU$

[MachineCode]

use counter to loop until 20 seconds have passed

Such a test is useless for comparing PureBasic to C. Just so you know.

[Zach]

Synthetic benchmarks aren't going to help much.

You need to build a program that does time-critical computations, in both languages, while trying to be as fair with any optimizations as possible.

[Primoz128]

I don't master any other language that Game Maker tool's built-in scripting language... ill try something out or google up a bit for a good way to compare C/C++ to Pure Basic, i just want to know, i am really curious in the speed.

Also is there no way in making external libraries for Pure Basic ? Also how the hell do you make an executable, all i found is save, save as and save all ... so ?

[Zach]

...seriously?

Might try looking under the "Compiler" drop-down on the main Menu Bar.... Coming from a "Game Maker" application, you will have a lot to learn ahead of you. Starting with the Help files is a good start, as it explains the User Interface, as well as containing the Language Reference with lots of example code.

You should also read the PureBasic Survival Guide It is a very good work that will teach you a lot of the basics, as well as some more advanced stuff. It has also been updated for the up and coming 4.60 release of PureBasic.

It can use Inline ASM (Assembly Language) which will allow you to optimize your program further if you choose to learn ASM. But it is not childs play, be warned. You can compile DLL's to use in other programs you make, if you wish. You can also compile native PB "libraries" by using Tailbite. But it is not an official piece of software and I think there is some learning involved and getting it to work properly.


There are various forum members who can/will attest to PB being very competitive with, or outperforming C/C++ applications. But like all things it totally depends on the skill of the programmer, to a degree.

It's plenty fast though.

[infratec]

You can also build dll's with PB.
(simply type dll in the help index field)

And don't forgett to disable the debugger when you are running a speed test

[Primoz128]

...seriously?

Might try looking under the "Compiler" drop-down on the main Menu Bar.... Coming from a "Game Maker" application, you will have a lot to learn ahead of you. Starting with the Help files is a good start, as it explains the User Interface, as well as containing the Language Reference with lots of example code.

You should also read the PureBasic Survival Guide It is a very good work that will teach you a lot of the basics, as well as some more advanced stuff. It has also been updated for the up and coming 4.60 release of PureBasic.

It can use Inline ASM (Assembly Language) which will allow you to optimize your program further if you choose to learn ASM. But it is not childs play, be warned. You can compile DLL's to use in other programs you make, if you wish. You can also compile native PB "libraries" by using Tailbite. But it is not an official piece of software and I think there is some learning involved and getting it to work properly.


There are various forum members who can/will attest to PB being very competitive with, or outperforming C/C++ applications. But like all things it totally depends on the skill of the programmer, to a degree.

It's plenty fast though.

3/5 of that i already know and some of that for very long, assembly is just O.O really brain killer if you want to do a game in it using just assembly. Thanks anyways.

Oh and, man why does PB have only about 5000 people using it or at least around that number, while any other in top 10 language has more than 10 K really active ones... i understand it wasn't as good as it is now, i seen that in each version that is a tiny number increase of version name has huge improvements, but it should get more people to use it... or am i wrong ?
(I made a mess... shoot me <.> )

I don't like the 5000 number, and how people never heard of PB.

[USCode]

... Oh and, man why does PB have only about 5000 people using it or at least around that number, while any other in top 10 language has more than 10 K really active ones... i understand it wasn't as good as it is now, i seen that in each version that is a tiny number increase of version name has huge improvements, but it should get more people to use it... or am i wrong ?
(I made a mess... shoot me <.> )

I don't like the 5000 number, and how people never heard of PB.

PB really has a LOT of things going for it: easy development, small/fast executables, many libraries, CROSS-PLATFORM, nice IDE, etc.

But I think the 2 things that turn off many potential users is:
- Lack of OOP support
- No actively-developed and truly integrated Visual Designer

I'm not advocating OOP and don't think we'll ever see it in PB, however an officially supported VD would be nice for many types of projects.

[MachineCode]

why does PB have only about 5000 people using it

Where the hell did you pull that number from? Do you receive a report from Fred about each paying customer?

[Zach]

I don't like the 5000 number, and how people never heard of PB.

...Then don't use use the product?


Really, what does the number of users have to do with anything?
PB has been around for the better part of a decade now, and some programmers here use it daily in their businesses. PB isn't worried about how popular it is, its not trying to win a contest. If you're worried about investing in something that will disappear a year later, then we can all understand that but there really isn't any need to worry. Even if development stopped and the current staff could no longer continue, they have contingency plans for releasing it as Open Source so development can continue.

But more importantly; PureBasic is a Hobbyist language first and foremost. I don't think it has ever tried to pretend to be otherwise. Many of us here are just Hobbyists. I doubt the Forum even represents the rest of the users in any significant way. By the way, using Forum membership to try and extrapolate the number of paying customers is not very brilliant.

[Kuron]

Oh and, man why does PB have only about 5000 people using it or at least around that number, while any other in top 10 language has more than 10 K really active ones... i understand it wasn't as good as it is now, i seen that in each version that is a tiny number increase of version name has huge improvements, but it should get more people to use it... or am i wrong ?
(I made a mess... shoot me <.> )

I don't like the 5000 number, and how people never heard of PB.

This is easy, it is for the same reason Game Maker has well less than 500 legitimate users. Just as many people developing games will frown at people using point and click game makers to make games, many people programming will frown at any BASIC language. When it comes to indie BASICs, PureBasic might be the biggest there is.

I do dispute your number of 5000 users of PureBasic.

4329 members registered at the English forums
1091 members registered at the French forums
2892 members registered at the German forums

8312 total members registered at all PB forums

Given that the forums are routinely purged of deadweight, I am fairly confident in the accuracy of those numbers. Also consider many who purchase and use PureBasic will never join any of the forums.

PureBasic is still alive and thriving while many of its competitors have bit the dust or abandoned products and started new ones because they can no longer attract users to their existing products.

[MachineCode]

Primoz128, you may want to read the PureBasic Doomsday Quotes if you're worried about PureBasic's future:

http://tinyurl.com/doomsdayquotes

(The above links to: http://www.purebasic.fr/english/viewtop ... =7&t=45773).

Happy now?