Nokia & Microsoft

[utopiomania]

They announced a partnership today. Nokia will use Windows Phone 7 for smartphones, and
Visual Studio Express 2010 Phone is ready for download. For Free..

This is great news.!

[DarkDragon]

This are very bad news. We don't know what will happen with Qt.

[utopiomania]

I dont know what will happen to Qt either, and I don't care.

This was about Microsoft, and NOKIA, and free tools for us to downlaod, etc..

[skywalk]

They can keep their tools.
My only demand is that the governments don't decide Microsoft and Nokia are "too big to fail" and bail them out of their flawed decisions with my money.

More smartphones sold than PC's for the 1st time.
http://www.silobreaker.com/smartphones- ... 5202171964

My eyes are on HP and webOS.
Nokia had the same opportunity to rescue Palm, but said why? we have Symbian!
Now they are saddled with the monstrosity of a company attacking wireless from the desktop.
Read the Nokia CEO's "burning platform" speech to employees...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/bl ... -memo-elop
Doesn't get any more dire than that.

[DarkDragon]

I dont know what will happen to Qt either, and I don't care.

This was about Microsoft, and NOKIA, and free tools for us to downlaod, etc..

Yeah new free food with dioxin. That's just like how you behave right now. Nokia just bought Qt from trolltech for their mobile phones and now they are cooperating with microsoft and windows phone 7 without including Qt.
That's like buying a company to let it die.

Btw.: with Qt its very easy to create nice applications. Have you ever tried it? You won't want to do anything else anymore, as you can create dockable toolbars and dockable windows without writing code.

[codewalker]

If Nokia doesn't believe anymore in Symbian, why should a customer ? This will also affect
the release of Nokia's E7, less people now are going to buy this smartphone. Nokia should
have looked at Samsung how their sales dropped after switching to microsoft. Microsoft
and Nokia both suffer from lack of innovation to keep up with the competition.
LoL, after 5 months Microsoft will take over Nokia.

with Qt its very easy to create nice applications. Have you ever tried it? You won't want to do anything else anymore,
as you can create dockable toolbars and dockable windows without writing code.

Hell yes, QT is really some slick shit software. Did you try the QT Webbrowser ? Rocks !
http://www.qtweb.net/qtweb.php
If I had the money I would buy a commercial liscence but I can't afford 2995 Euros
(Single One Developer Commercial License on a Single Operating System)
Download the LGPL version while you can

See QT's real slick potential on Youtube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojZQFZoL ... re=related (see widgets at player time 7:23)

3D Widgets here :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXS3xKV- ... re=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLbO73oQ ... re=related

cw

[Foz]

Wonderful. So to develop for nokia, we have to
a) subscribe for an xbox live gold account
b) subscribe to the xna development
c) install zune
All of the above just to try an app on your own phone.

Thanks Nokia. Then again, with an exMicrosoft employee at the helm, I can't say I'm surprised either...

[utopiomania]

Three big competitors in the smartphone market is better than two. This is good for
customers, and you can download Visual Studio 2010 express phone, register as a
developer and get going.

Whats wrong with that? Microsoft did something right with Windows 7, and I think they
got their phone OS right too, so, I like this.

Nokia knows hardware, Symbian/Android are difficult platforms, and Apple needs some
competition, so I think Nokia/MS will succeed.

[DarkDragon]

Three big competitors in the smartphone market is better than two. This is good for
customers, and you can download Visual Studio 2010 express phone, register as a
developer and get going.

Whats wrong with that? Microsoft did something right with Windows 7, and I think they
got their phone OS right too, so, I like this.

Nokia knows hardware, Symbian/Android are difficult platforms, and Apple needs some
competition, so I think Nokia/MS will succeed.

Sure, but discontinuing Qt would be a bigger loss than paying more for a smartphone.

[the.weavster]

Nokia have just dumped the smart phone OS with the largest user base on the planet and replaced it with the one that has the smallest. They have alienated hundreds of thousands of their loyal customers in order to suck up to a market that doesn't even want their devices anyway.

Yeah, that sounds like a winning strategy.

None of the things the US 'tech' bloggers seem to blame Symbian for are even anything to do with Symbian anyway. Symbian is the operating system, it's not the UI, it's not the browser, it's not the e-mail client, etc, etc...

The fact is Android and iOS could not even run on some of the extremely modest hardware Symbian does but it seems instead of countering the b******t being written about Symbian Elop is going to sacrifice the best OS there is for constrained devices and replace it with a battery munching (but pretty) monstrosity.

And why now, when QtQuick is so excellent and so nearly there? QtQuick would be a carriers dream, making customisation so easy. It's also a developers dream - as easy as widgets but with MUCH more power. It also means Symbian could have finally had a really great UI on top of it instead of it's current old fusty one.

This plan is great for Microsoft but it kills Nokia stone dead.

Something really stinks about this, there is nothing here that benefits Nokia as reflected in their 14% drop in share price.

[utopiomania]

They have alienated hundreds of thousands of their loyal customers in order to

No the have not. Their customers dont care what OS is in the phone, they want their phones to
do things that Nokia could not give them, because Symbian is an expensive (timewise) tool.

And, if its great for MS its great for Nokia too. How else could MS benefit from this deal. What
benefit would MS have from licencing the OS to a dead company.?

[skywalk]

What benefit would MS have from licencing the OS to a dead company.?

$money$ of course! - Microsoft needs lots to fuel the beast.
When you license with a company, the contract is usually "across the board" cross-licensing.
So, Nokia will most likely be exposing their IP to Microsoft future development without the threat of patent infringement lawsuits.
X-box & Zune wireless widgets and beyond.
Remember when Microsoft bailed out Apple in 1997?
http://www.nytimes.com/1997/08/08/opini ... s-eye.html
Was this just to prop up a market for Mac Office, or to squash any future legal crap from Apple regarding the Windows "look and feel" and other media development hurdles trying to evade QuickTime?

[utopiomania]

$money$ of course! - Microsoft needs lots to fuel the beast.

Money from a 'dead company' ?? Dead companies don't have money.

[the.weavster]

Stephen Elop is still a major shareholder of Microsoft.

The announcement he made yesterday means Nokia's current range is a dead-man-walking and they're going to limp along like that for months and months. Then who do you think is going to step in and buy Nokia when their share price inevitably hits the deck?

Nokia have been stitched up like a kipper.

[utopiomania]

Nokia holds 40% of the mobile phone market today.. 40%.. Think about that.

'Tomorrow' these two will teach Apple and Android a lesson they will never forget.