one tragic centre

[Vera]

Hello,

The last two days I tried to 'not miss' some update-informations about 9/11 -

but the german massmedia (government?) must have had decided it's of no common interest to gain some actual knowledge about how the dealings (ongoings) with 9/11 are proceeding

so I turned to the internet and came across this very informativ (scientific) discourse I'd envite you to have a look at: 9/11 Blueprint for Truth(2008 Edition) [takes 2 h]

I'm neither a chemist nor physicist so I can't value the informations, still it's sounds reasonable and potentially true to me.

And it seems to me - the anwers have not yet reached us

oh well ~ Vera

[freak]

*yawn* !


Where is the rolling eyes smiley when you need it?

[PB]

If this is another video that tries to prove that 9/11 was inside
job, rather than just a plain old terrorist attack, then yes:

[#NULL]

considering that you have no clue about the subject you guys seem pretty snotty
how about letting this thread in peace as you would claim for your own threads? your posts do not introduce an open discussion do they?

[Vera]

Hi,

I wouldn't have posted this link if it wasn't (especially) free of any conspiring aims.

To scrutinize the collaborated 'official reports' by a ragbag of independent (?) scientist not only is fair to do in an open democracy, but often the only chance for average people to get some valuable (discursive) aspects about the dependency of (physical) facts.

In these respects I find this report worth notable.

greetings ~ Vera

As for the trustworthiness of governments I'm without doubt that they are not.

[Thorium]

I dont know anything about architecture or explosions or terror acts.

What i know is that if you search for something false, you will find it. It doesnt matters if there is something false or not. Thats because we just dont have a 100% understanding of whats going on.

Do a random video of something and show it to people and ask them if it's true. They will for sure point out stuff that cant possibly true. ^^

[cas]

I watched this video http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 6293238834# and i can say that it's very convincing for ordinary people.

[PB]

> watched this video http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 6293238834# and
> i can say that it's very convincing for ordinary people

Well, don't forget to watch this video that rebuffs the one you mentioned:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 2101057550

[GWarner]

I myself don't believe in the conspiracy theories about 9/11 being an inside job but I also don't dismiss them out of hand either.

The most suspicious part of 9/11 is the way all three very tall buildings neatly pancaked down into their own foot print when they collapsed. If you ever watched any documentaries about any large structure being brought down or the Discovery Channel's "The Destructors" you'd know that to achieve that it takes a very precise chain of small explosions that weaken a specific part of the structure at the right time to get any structure to "implode" on itself. I find it hard to believe that a building as tall as the WTC towers were would naturally collapse in on themselves after being struck by one airplane. Or that building seven that collapsed later that day would "implode" on itself from just a fire that was apparently started from debrise from the WTC collapses.

But I'm no expert so I can't draw any real conclusions other than there is a lot of information about what really happened that our government is not telling us.

[cas]

Well, don't forget to watch this video that rebuffs the one you mentioned:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 2101057550

Thanks, nice video.

[freak]

I'm neither a chemist nor physicist so I can't value the informations, still it's sounds reasonable and potentially true to me.

I watched this video http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 293238834# and i can say that it's very convincing for ordinary people.

This is the problem. NIST did an extensive investigation into the collapses and released a 43 volumes final report on it, investigating many of these alternative theories as well. Yet people rather trust a two hour video that offers some weird theories with not much evidence behind them because "they sound reasonable". Of course watching that is much easier on the brain than reading scientific publications.

Maybe its just me, but i tend to trust the research institute with its 43 volumes of research available for public review (and therefore scrutinized by scientists around the world who understand the matter) rather than the wacko who put together a video in his basement. But then again, NIST is a government organization, so its all part of the big conspiracy, right?


Anyway, the reason i *yawn*-ed was because it has been 9 years of always the same BS discussion. Doesn't the internet have anything more interesting to offer than that?

[cas]

Well, look at YouTube to all those videos that deny conspiracy theories (for example http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLShZOvxVe4) and see how many dislikes that videos have. People don't want to live their boring lifes where their government says truth and only truth.
I look at all those conspiracy theories as entertainment.

"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."
-Albert Einstein

[netmaestro]

I'm not qualified to evaluate what these architects and engineers are saying and so it would be difficult for me to form an opinion one way or the other. However, I think that in order for a government to deliberately carry out an action so incomprehensibly horrific they would have had to have one hell of a motive. I just don't see one. It's likely that most of what is being taken as conspiracy amounts to nothing more sinister than government agencies frantically trying to downplay or hide just how incompetent they were at seeing it coming and preventing it.

[Rook Zimbabwe]

My Cousin Ed was sjust turning on to Vesey Street when the plane hit the tower... He doesn't think it was a plot... he thinks it was a plane...

[djes]

As I know some architects, we talked about this. The metal structures have always been known to cannot resist to high temperatures, whatever your documentary is saying. It doesn't mean that iron will transform into lava, but its properties are changing when temperature is rising. You can experiment this at home, do a model with a brick stacked on a metal structure and put it in microwave. And don't forget to do your bags before switching on.