Forgive me Father, for I have sinned...

Foz · Post by **Foz** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 10:18 pm

I have fallen in love with an Apple Mac Mini.

Woe is me!

Seriously, I'm impressed with it (once I scrapped the one button, no wheel mouse).

Here we go for three way cross compatibility tests!

GeoTrail · Post by **GeoTrail** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 12:50 am

Hehehe you infidel

How about posting some screenshots and photos of the new baby?

pdwyer · Post by **pdwyer** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 1:35 am

"How may hail mary's?"
"A Thousand! And then I want you to beat yourself!"

- Beavis and Butthead

Dare · Post by **Dare** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 1:46 am

Mistrel · Post by **Mistrel** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 4:04 am

When you buy a Mac you're buying COMMUNISM!

pdwyer · Post by **pdwyer** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 4:09 am

Apple & Sony

Same mentality, different image.

I'm happy that they exist only because they apply pressure through competition to the companies I actually want to buy products from

Rook Zimbabwe · Post by **Rook Zimbabwe** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 4:08 pm

I own about 4 G4 units, bbut they are for resale... OK 1 is for testing and development and 3 are for resale...

X · Post by X » Fri Jan 18, 2008 8:12 pm

Rook Zimbabwe wrote:I own about 4 G4 units, bbut they are for resale... OK 1 is for testing and development and 3 are for resale...

How much for each?

Bonne_den_kule · Post by **Bonne_den_kule** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 10:13 pm

Pet shop boys wrote:It's a sin...

superadnim · Post by **superadnim** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 11:57 am

The sin occurs most likely when you don't get rid of it's OS to install XP / VISTA on it :p. Until a not-so-long time ago, any mac user was a sinner for that matter. The ones who still kept their mac-os even though they could now choose, were immediately granted a ticket to hell, one-way only.

- Although, it seems nice to develop on them as well... Theres a whole market in there.

Rook Zimbabwe · Post by **Rook Zimbabwe** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 1:23 pm

Well X if you are in the USA check eBay... I sell stuff like that on eBay... Last one went for 89.00 not including shipping. I don't remember the specs of that unit off the top of my head... pretty basic and it had 9.9 on it not OSX... I have 2 with OSX on thim... 1 is my Apple development CPU. I think the other is a iMAC G3???

Foz · Post by **Foz** » Sun Jan 27, 2008 9:11 pm

Finally got my normal computer back. I love Linux!

also sorted out my internet connection - I had my internet box daisy chained on the floor in the middle of the living room, with one end in the phone socket, and the other end in the computer - and not enough cable to give both machines an internet connection.

Still a little bit of spending, and everything is more or less spot on how I want it now.

OS X is very nice to use. But there are a few niggles that infuriate me:
1. Single button mouse. This did not last long. About 3 minutes until I replaced it with my Microsoft Mouse.
2. The American keyboard of putting the " where the @ is and vice versa.
3. Memory Usage is off the scales. I mean, really, just the base OS running uses 256mb of ram and 2.5gb of virtual memory! Run a browser and watch it consume about 500mb of ram/virtual memory. I thought Vista was a memory hogger until I saw this.
4. Closing an application doesn't *really* close it. Infuriating in a low ram environment.
5. Lack of *something* (taskbar) to track all my open windows.
6. The Apple Command key. I find that the command key is in the wrong place - it does effectively the same job as the Control key in Windows/Linux, yet they put it in a very awkward place:
Win/Linux: Ctrl Win Alt
Apple Mac: Ctrl Alt Cmd
Try using Alt for all the normal operations and you'll see what I mean when it comes to Cut Copy Paste operations.

Still, could I settle down and get used to using it on a daily basis? Oh yes. I have Firefox, OO.org and all the basic file transfer programs installed - everything that is ever needed for day to day use.

But at the end of the day, I still prefer Linux. It is my comfort zone where I know if something *really* bugs me, I have the option of changing it. If I dislike how a particular program works, I know that there are probably another dozen alternatives for me to try.

I would definitely recommend Apple to others? Yes, they do rock

Trond · Post by **Trond** » Sun Jan 27, 2008 10:09 pm

Foz wrote:3. Memory Usage is off the scales. I mean, really, just the base OS running uses 256mb of ram and 2.5gb of virtual memory! Run a browser and watch it consume about 500mb of ram/virtual memory. I thought Vista was a memory hogger until I saw this.

Vista uses WAY more than 256mb without starting a browser. Also, how did you measure this? (I don't have a mac, so I don't know how it's done with them. But if you typed mem at a terminal then you must read the second line, not the first.)

4. Closing an application doesn't *really* close it. Infuriating in a low ram environment.

Uh. It does that. But closing a window doesn't necessarily close the application.

Foz · Post by **Foz** » Sun Jan 27, 2008 10:33 pm

Trond wrote:
Foz wrote:3. Memory Usage is off the scales. I mean, really, just the base OS running uses 256mb of ram and 2.5gb of virtual memory! Run a browser and watch it consume about 500mb of ram/virtual memory. I thought Vista was a memory hogger until I saw this.
Vista uses WAY more than 256mb without starting a browser. Also, how did you measure this? (I don't have a mac, so I don't know how it's done with them. But if you typed mem at a terminal then you must read the second line, not the first.)

Using the Monitor in the Utilities folder - it tells you what is used, what is free, etc.

I'm not defending Vista, but the figures does paint OS X as a lot worse for it. But on the flip side, I find that OS X is a lot more responsive than Vista. If using up extra memory is the price for responsiveness I'll take it any day.

garretthylltun · Post by **garretthylltun** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 4:46 am

Foz wrote:4. Closing an application doesn't *really* close it. Infuriating in a low ram environment.

You have to go to the File menu and select Quit. The "X" button on the title bar typically just hides the program and does not close it. It's one annoyance that I wish Apple would freaking deal with and sort out.