Percent of PCs with .NET framework installed?

Kale · Post by **Kale** » Sat Aug 11, 2007 3:20 pm

Does anyone know of any polls done that shows what Percent of PCs have the .NET framework installed?

Kaeru Gaman · Post by **Kaeru Gaman** » Sat Aug 11, 2007 4:06 pm

nope, sorry, got no statistics about it.

me I don't have it and I don't expect others to have it.

xgp · Post by **xgp** » Sat Aug 11, 2007 4:55 pm

not me and if microsoft decides to abandon the old win32 api we are used to in turn of .net framework i will turn 100% gnu/linux. It's the only thing that still keeps me in windows plataform(it's api) and the fact i still don't get the windows managers in linux

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(btw, how do i develop a gui application for gnu/linux that will be 100% compatible with all the window managers? - i mean, kde and gnome applications often have trouble running in different enviroments than it's default...)

Kaeru Gaman · Post by **Kaeru Gaman** » Sat Aug 11, 2007 5:52 pm

(btw, how do i develop a gui application for gnu/linux that will be 100% compatible with all the window managers? - i mean, kde and gnome applications often have trouble running in different enviroments than it's default...)

give it a new thread....

netmaestro · Post by **netmaestro** » Sat Aug 11, 2007 6:04 pm

Actually it's a somewhat tricky question because there is a significant difference between the number of machines with the framework installed as opposed to the number actually using it. On two machines here a bunch of free trial software came bundled, some of which required the framework, so both OS installations had it. We dumped the free junk but the restore DVD is permanently set up to install the framework anyway.

milan1612 · Post by **milan1612** » Sat Aug 11, 2007 6:27 pm

I think less than 30 percent of all Windows XP computers have already installed
the .NET Framework. That's the point that keeps me to the WinAPI

Kale · Post by **Kale** » Sat Aug 11, 2007 6:40 pm

People adopting Vista have it by default remember.

milan1612 · Post by **milan1612** » Sat Aug 11, 2007 7:03 pm

Yes, but how many users actually use Vista?

Kale · Post by **Kale** » Sat Aug 11, 2007 7:09 pm

milan1612 wrote:Yes, but how many users actually use Vista?

Good point. but it will grow unfortunately.

My wish for the future is for Windows to die and linux takes over. It's the games though that drive new PC sales, game devs should write for Linux/OpenGL more.

Trond · Post by **Trond** » Sat Aug 11, 2007 7:31 pm

The problem is, Linux sucks.

Derek · Post by **Derek** » Sat Aug 11, 2007 8:19 pm

I just got a new HP laptop with Vista on it so I have .NET but then again I had it on my XP setups because I have some software that requires it, no doubt more and more software will need it.

There will be no escaping from it soon.

Kale · Post by **Kale** » Sat Aug 11, 2007 8:42 pm

Trond wrote:The problem is, Linux sucks.

A bold statement indeed.

Dave651 · Post by **Dave651** » Sat Aug 11, 2007 9:12 pm

Trond wrote:The problem is, Linux sucks.

Been using Debian Etch since the day it came out. Cannot recall a single crash, it's lightening quick, has over 20,000 software packages I can download and does absolutely everything I need.

I'm sure glad I found out that it sucks. Gee, I'd better go back to Windows then hadn't I?

Trond · Post by **Trond** » Sat Aug 11, 2007 9:29 pm

Kale wrote:
Trond wrote:The problem is, Linux sucks.
A bold statement indeed.

In italic, then: The problem is, Linux sucks.

Well:
- Monolithic kernel which means that a driver bug can (and does) take the entire system down
- Unfrozen kernel ABI, which means that drivers must be compiled for your particular kernel, which means that vendors can't easily create stable drivers without a lot of maintenance work
- X is a client-server system that effectively kills screen performance
- In addition to X, GTk, the de facto GUI toolkit, is roughly twice as slow as the Windows API even without drawing anything.
- Missing web browser integration: No linux web browser exists that uses native GTk widgets.
- Missing office suite integration: No linux office suite suitable for large work (like OpenOffice) exists that uses native GTk widgets.
- Missing standardised software installation procedure
- Missing graphics program suitable for serious work (GIMP doesn't even have CMYK support (!))
- Font rendering of small serif fonts is dreadful
- File type system is broken, it's absent

Summary: Can't install 3rd party software, can't surf the web (did I mention that SUPPORTED wireless cards doesn't work and that flash must be installed via the command line to "work" (hang, that is)?), can't edit documents (neither AbiWord nor OpenOffice can render serif fonts properly, dragging the middle right handle on a picture to make it wider makes it shorter in AbiWord), can't edit graphics for print, can't reinstall (ubuntu's *debootstraps doesn't actually work with ubuntu(!)), can't extract files without having them deleted (did you try tar recently?), so what does Dave651 actually need if it does everything he needs? A new login in a window? How useful is that?

Tipperton · Post by **Tipperton** » Sun Aug 12, 2007 12:37 am

Add to all of that...

- Its very unfriendly
- No standardized GUI

So developers usually have to produce two or more versions of their programs or decide on one of the GUI's loose the users of the one they didn't choose as potential customers.

Linux may be a great OS for servers and such where the users have the skills and knowledge to use it but it will never be mainstream like Windows is.

Just go attempt to download the binaries for some linux program and you get all kinds of choices. Binaries for Debian, SuSE, RedHat, Ubunto, etc., etc,. etc. and a separate binary for different versions of each. What a nightmare!

You don't see that in the Windows world and if you do its usually divided between DOS based (95/98/98SE/ME) or NT based (NT4/2000/XP/Vista).