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Many thanks Marlin!

I'd like to post some more related videos, I had come across before:

The forbidden education (Spanish with subtitles)
Due to time and language problems ..., I have not seen the whole video myself,
but, what I have seen, seemed very interesting to me.


Thinking about the Zeitgeist movement... - especially "a world without money"...
It seems there has been something similar to that in southern Spain 1936(?) (Barcelona...?).

I stumbled upon that video some time ago at video.google.de and found it quite interesting, despite some difficulties (in understanding the complete concept...) again.
I believe there is more that should be uncovered/found out (about the historical backgrounds...).
IIRC it seemed to me, as if some little pieces of confusion where added to the German version at least.
Yet I don't know any other video, talking about that subject at all - therefore it is the best I am aware of.

There was a German, an English and a Spanish version.
It is no longer present at video.google.de, but, I believe I found it at Youtube:

Vivir la Utopía / Documental (Spanish)
Vivir La Utopia (Living Utopia) (Spanish with English subtitles)
Die Utopie leben (with German dub)

I hope you find them interesting as well.

Perhaps you also like this interview with Russell Brand:
Russell Brand on The Zeitgeist Movement?

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Many thanks,

Really almost nobody in this system knows about the anarchism meaning, and it is a pity.
In Barcelona there was a real anarchism working for years, and in other places in the world too.

The Venus Project could be understood as a kind of modern anarchism, but there is an emphasis in the tech to liberate men hands and brains.

I already knew all those audiovisual document messages. Thanks again.

Specially for the isolated world of EEUU and Europe:

Part 1:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExBE651_vOY
Part 2:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kx7HDTDDopA

Psychophanta wrote:Really almost nobody in this system knows about the anarchism meaning, and it is a pity.
In Barcelona there was a real anarchism working for years, and in other places in the world too.

To me, the word 'anarchism' means there is no laws, everybody can do what he wants.
It has a nice touch, because it means total freedom. Tear down all borders, mark all 'countries' as obsolete,
and make it one world. It is a dream, like communism. It doesn't work in the real world out there, and
unfortunately there are enough people that don't know what they do, don't know what they want in live,
or people that are just stupid. More freedom or communism is a theoretical ideal, and the real world
just shows the opposite. Just look how the the land-of-the-free, the United States of America, spy on "friend countries",
like Germany. It is all about cheating, personal benefit, and especially in the US it is all about money,
not about great ideas, future visions, good and growing human behavior.
When I grew up and learned about history in school, I though and believed we have a better world today.
With all those wars in the past, millions and millions of people killed by each other, killed by there own species.
Look at the world today, over the last 20 years, and you will realize that, in the foundation, nothing has really changed in some thousand years...

There are a lot to talk about, but in concrete to this:

Right.
To be more precise: Anarchism = no inter-human authority.
Obviously this requires another very different kind of humans that the ones we know in our communities.

And to be also more precise, anarchism exists in an absolute way now and in the past in isolated communities; please ask to any good social-antropologist near you about the current observation of some isolated human communities of about 100-500 people in several places in the planet. Not all of these communities are anarchist, of course, but please ask about it to any social-antropologist with knowledge about these discoveries.

People in the almost isolated community of Europe and EEUU are stupid (i mean public opinion, which is indeed a main part of the decisionmaking) because they are all formed inside a cultural scenary of hypocresy and competition which creates just stupid people: we are all formed to be silly, and to serve institutions to make power to be more powerful and to make poverty (poverty referred to purchasing power) still greater: please understand that wage labor, big companies, lobbies, soccer FIFA, lotteries, ... almost everything we do every hour of our lives is done to make the power to be more powerful and to make poverty to be more poverty.

About solipsism of Europe and USA ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solipsism ):
Roma's empire was isolated in its about 12 centuries of existence, and it believed it was the only one in the world. Just like some cats (only the less intlligent ones) which believe he are the center of all and all exists because he create it with own existence.
All this is cause of "lol" for anybody with higher understanding, and that's how Russian administration, and the China, Iran, NorCorea, Cuba, Ecuador, etc. ones look now to Europe and specially to EEUU governments (and the derivated public opinions there). They looks to it with a merge of pity and laught.
By the way, i can not understand Putin administration patience. Putin must be a being of other world because his patience is not from a human.

Forgot to add that this can be the beginning of the "gray line" to the Resources Based Economy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqXXO0GGNRI

@Psychophanta, I liked the video you posted.

There is a concept of combining an unconditional basic income with a flowing money system similar to the one that was rather successful in Wörgl (Austria) in a time of economic crisis and other elements, I don't recall good enough at the moment. IIRC this is advocated as "Plan B" by a "movement" going by the name "Wissensmanufaktur". I could find out more details, but for the moment, I came for another reason.

Have you seen this (huge) video by Mark Passio?
MARK PASSIO: STREET-WISE SPIRITUALITY
It may be challenging in more ways then its length, but I'm convinced it it worth considering.

About the video you report:
Sorry to say that any man, vegetal, animal, mushroom, etc. is just a simple (more simple than ususally is believed) biomolecular machine.
There is no place for the word: spiritual.
Anybody who surpass a critical threshold of understanding and knwoledge sees that.
And of course the ZM, and the RBE understand it in a clear way.

The man speeching in that video seems to not catch up that simple simple fact. And it is sad, because is the basis of any other understanding.

Psychophanta wrote:...
There is no place for the word: spiritual.
...

That reads like you would even try and take it out of dictionaries,
trying to force your dogmatic=religious world view upon the rest of the world.

True science is ready to learn and discover new things as they can be found out.
Any narrow minded dogmatism, that refuses to look upon things not already covered
- and therefore incapable of finding out anything (new) at all -
is in fact a religion, even if trying to misuse the label science or any other!

Psychophanta wrote:any man, vegetal, animal, mushroom, etc. is just a simple (more simple than ususally is believed) biomolecular machine

Can you build a man, vegetal, animal or even mushroom without using at least parts of a preexisting specimen thereof
- if it is just such a simple machine?

The very least I would say about such living things is that they are complex.

Having expressed all that, I will admit, that I tend to dislike the word spiritual myself as well,
as it seems to be connected to many types of unsavory fraud and deception.

You seem to have dismissed that video purely, because it contains the string "spiritual" in its title.
...
This situation is somewhat awkward to me, because I might have done the same thing, were it not for the circumstances when I encountered that video, where my curiosity was stronger than my dislike of the title.
In that context, I would say, you may have been misled by the title.
On the other hand, I also may be more broadminded than you currently are.

I don't need to agree with everything to find food for thought from a certain source.
In fact, I think I could disagree with most of what is said, and still find food for thought,
depending what is there to be found...

Ok, lets say "spiritual" meaning must be only understood inside the path which contains the "mistery of the searching of the knowledge and/or the understanding".
In other words we are agree with these words from Carl Sagan in his work "The Demon-Haunted World":

"Spirit" comes from the Latin word "breathe". What we breathe is air, which is really matter, however subtle. Despite the use contrary, the word "spiritual" does not necessarily mean we're talking about something other than matter (including the matter of which the brain is made), or something outside the realm of science. Sometimes I use the word freely. Science is not only compatible with spirituality but it is a profound source of spirituality. When we recognize our place in an immensity of light years and in the passage of ages, when we grasp the complication, beauty and subtlety of life, the elevation of this feeling, the combined sense of exhilaration and humility is definitely spiritual. So are our emotions in the presence of great art, music or literature, or to acts of altruism and exemplary courage such as Gandhi or Martin Luther Mohadma King, Jr. The notion that science and spirituality are mutually exclusive somehow provides a disservice to both.

And yes, you are right i have not watched all the entire speeching you posted, but i just listened some chunks. That is because I have the prejudice (which sometimes is correct) of the people who speech too much is charlatan, because the synthesis (very short messages) is a thing very precious and authentic, but there seems it is not valid for crowds, including in our modern days.
In other words: i think a speeching message, when it is too long, it is more a circus than a message.

Marlin wrote:Have you seen this (huge) video by Mark Passio?
MARK PASSIO: STREET-WISE SPIRITUALITY
It may be challenging in more ways then its length, but I'm convinced it it worth considering.

Thank you, Marlin! Nice session, and in line with my own thoughts. First I thought it is a bit boring (first hour or so),
because he explained everything in detail, so even people new to this kind of thing might understand it. Little bit like
the introduction to C++ in nearly every games programming book.
Later (round about 1h:30m) it became more interesting. Even if you are already into this kind of world view,
he presents it nicely with use of sheets that are precisely to the point. It is a good roundup.

The big challenge is to make this theoretical construct become reality. Traveling around the world giving
speeches is not the only way. I carry this thoughts with me for some time already, and to be honest,
I see so many problems in the world, I'm overwhelmed by it. I would like to change something, and I'm aware
I can't change the whole world alone. It is too much problems, and I don't know where to start. All problems
are important to deal with. Giving up your old live completely isn't easy (leaving comfort zone).
Small changes by more and more people can change things too. Slowly, of course. Thing is, we don't have time
anymore to make small changes only. We need to make really big changes immediately, and the problems to deal with
become more and more... it's a big mess already.


BTW: 'Arrested For Exercising Free Speech Near Liberty Bell And Independence Hall' [Mark Passio & Barb @ WhatOnEarthIsHappening]

Thank you Danilo,
you have expressed that quite well, rather to the point.

I myself have sometimes been overwhelmed, [almost] to the point of exhaustion...
Of course such a condition will limit what one can do.

I could not watch the video using the link you provided - maybe it requires more powerful hardware,
but I found it on YouTube:
'Mark Passio' - Mark and Barb Arrested For Exercising Free Speech Near Liberty Bell And Independence Hall
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0vS8VTZ4Sw)


It was quite a challenge for me to watch that. It made me very upset, especially the first few minutes.
It even expended some physical energy.
I don't know, what I would have done, had I be part of that incident. It seemed like, everything I could do (or even 'not do') would in some way be wrong.
I could have ended up shot - or very very ashamed of myself (f.e. if I walked away) ... or shot and ashamed of myself. Or maybe I could have settled for looking frowningly at the officers - maybe - no promises made.
I have had a tendency to avoid such "confrontational" videos in order to maintain my "emotional stability",
but maybe I can toughen up.

I was relieved to find that some people in that scene, like the one wielding the camera and the bystander lady, did do the right thing.
It is important, that the ones wielding the guns..., become aware and responsible for what they are doing!

'The Mystic Trance' - Mark Passio - A Message to the Military
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFtO0Ecejdo)

I don't know if "pressure" is always the best way to make someone see, yet I agree, that some shaking up is probably required in order to wake someone up and "pressure" can be the right thing, depending on the details of the situation...

Another video of Mark Passio I found helpful was:
'1stageofawareness' - Mark Passio - Scarcity To Abundance
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LN2sw7OIX9M)


An aside question: What do you think about posting links to YouTube videos this way?
I think it makes video link more "recognizable", even if the picture requires some space.

I made a bookmarklet to create the BBCode for such links with preview picture with "a single click".

Thanks Marlin and Danilo.


Very complete explanation abour the "BASIC INCOME", which may be the beginning of the "gray line" to the Resources Based Economy (in german) (look for the english version or for the one of your language):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAsJRiFSXyk

Psychophanta wrote:Very complete explanation abour the "BASIC INCOME", which may be the beginning of the "gray line" to the Resources Based Economy (in german) (look for the english version or for the one of your language):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAsJRiFSXyk

Thanks Psychophanta!

There is a version where you are able to choose subtitles for English, Chinese, Danish, French (Canadian), Italian, Spanish, and some more.
Just choose the subtitle you want:
- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExRs75isitw
- http://www.filmsforaction.org/watch/the_basic_income_2008/
- http://dotsub.com/view/26520150-1acc-4fd0-9acd-169d95c9abe1

- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic_income

Original German site: Grundeinkommen – ein Kulturimpuls
(+ Materialien zum "bedingungslosen Grundeinkommen" (BGE))
(+ http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bedingungsloses_Grundeinkommen)

French synchronization: Le revenu de base – le film
Slovakian synchronization: Základný príjem - Film (slovenský dabing)

Thank you

To complete your interesting info:
There is recently uploaded the same video with spanish audio:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KngECyr5gg0