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Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by wayne1.
If your lucky maybe another terrorist will blow up US and will find happines
Bye
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I hope your favorite dream doesn't come true. :)
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Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by ricardo.

Just one question... if Iraq is over: who is next?
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Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by wayne1.
Go happy to your warm bed, a lot of children in iraq are now in a hospital because US attacks... sorry if i forgot that US army are like angels.
Did you forget all those dead kids Saddam killed ON PURPOSE.
I guess your disappointed he's gone, that little protective angel.
Dont play the victim role
But I thought were going to make more of your Hollywood propaganda movies. :cry:
Im a bad bad boy
Thats OK we'll still let you watch Rambo. :)
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Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by wayne1.
Edited by - ricardo on 10 Apr 2003 07:19:26
Why did you erase it??
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Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by ricardo.
Originally posted by wayne1
Edited by - ricardo on 10 Apr 2003 07:19:26
Why did you erase it??
By error trying to write a new one

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Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by ricardo.
Originally posted by wayne1
Go happy to your warm bed, a lot of children in iraq are now in a hospital because US attacks... sorry if i forgot that US army are like angels.
Did you forget all those dead kids Saddam killed ON PURPOSE.
I guess your disappointed he's gone, that little protective angel.
Dont play the victim role
No, i dont like murders.
I dont like Saddam and i dont like Bush, for me are two of a kind.
I dont support Saddam (dont be paranoid as Bush is) just i dont understand why suddenly US get so concerned about a guy that was 24 years killing people and now they cant wait the 3 weeks that UN ask for...

The killers are Saddam and Bush, dont cheat the foreigner dissents blaming them of Saddams murders.
I never give one cent or any kind of suppor to Saddam and you government did... then dont turn the problem to others.

You can hate my arguments, its your right, but dont forget that the only hands clean on this issue are dissent hands... nore Bush or Saddam hands.

Don't be so intolerant that point a dissent as if where Saddam partner. We both know who was the Saddam partner so time ago...

Its 4:00 a.m. here , good night.




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Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by ricardo.

Did the US media are giving coverage to the EXTREMELY situation that people are living in Iraq because US are brooking the Ginebra conventions???

I think not. Us media are only trying to make people cry with Jessica Lange... and about the real victims nobody cares!!

The armies in occupation have to guarantie security during a war and when the war is over.
Didn't Bush are concerned about????????????????????????

Of course not.

Are US media showing that THOUSANDS OF IRAQUIES ARE CLAIMING TO US TROOPS to do something and stop robbings (in fact they support it)?

Of course not.

From the RED CROSS web: (http://www.icrc.org)

"To the fullest extent of the means available to them, the occupying forces have a duty to ensure that the population has sufficient supplies in terms of water, food and medical care. As the temporary administrators of the occupied territory, the Occupying Powers must support public services and manage resources primarily in the interests of the population, without discrimination. "

When ALL the world claim against US Government, they feel angry!!! But they dont stop giving arguments...

Yanquies go home and leave Iraq.

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Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by cor.

Nobody has the right answer because we don't know exactly what's going on.
It's such a difficult item

There is no solution.

Please kill this topic, and go on with programming.

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Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by wayne1.
When ALL the world claim against US Government, they feel angry!!! But they dont stop giving arguments...

Yanquies go home and leave Iraq.
I think not. Us media are only trying to make people cry with Jessica Lange...
Your time would be better spent helping your own country rather than trashing the USA jackass! :)



As Crime Soars, Argentines Alter Outgoing Ways
Security Is Priority for Middle Class Traumatized by Wave of Abductions



By Jon Jeter
Washington Post Foreign Service
Monday, January 27, 2003; Page A11


BUENOS AIRES -- What he remembers most is the gun. Not the three men who abducted him outside his apartment, not the $300 they forced him to withdraw from an ATM, not the two hours he knelt folded like an accordion on the floor of his kidnappers' car, but the gun itself. It gleamed like a toy, and when it was shoved against his face, Gustavo Bardin recalled thinking both that he was going to die and how comfortably cool the metal felt on the wet hot summer night.

"I've never been so scared in my life," said Bardin, a boyish-looking, 30-year-old medical supply salesman. "But there was this dreamlike quality to the whole thing, too. I had never seen a real gun before except on television and in the movies from America. Up until maybe two years ago we just never saw the kind of crime in Argentina that we always associated with New York or Miami or Rio, and so guns were never real to me until that moment when one was staring me right in the face."

This country of 37 million was for years one of Latin America's safest, its sturdy economy and ample middle class providing a buffer against the kind of big-city muggings, carjackings and street violence common in Brazil or Mexico. But Argentina's unmanageable debt, the collapse of its economy and the devaluation of its currency two years ago peeled from the country's once-solid midsection a desperate underclass.
Crime has soared in step with Argentina's unemployment rate, and the economic crisis -- its worst ever -- has profoundly changed this nation.
The murder rate here in the capital and its suburbs -- home to nearly one-third of the country's population -- last year nearly doubled from four to seven per day, according to police statistics.
The number of cars reported stolen in the city has risen to nearly 300 per day; the number was less than half that in 1999. Two banks in the city are robbed each day on average. The violent crime rate nationally has more than doubled in just six years, government statistics show.
The social extroverts who define Argentine culture have begun to retreat, turning deeply suspicious of one another, installing iron bars and building gated communities. Guns are more difficult to buy here than in the United States, but shopkeepers say that more women are buying chemical sprays and more men are enrolling in defensive driving courses to elude attackers.
Security firms have reported that they installed twice as many alarms in cars last year than they did in 2001. Young and old Argentines say they are spending evenings at home rather than risk venturing out for a night on the town; many acknowledge that they have even resorted to running stoplights to avoid the carjackings that often occur when cars are idled.

Perhaps the most popular man among Argentines now is former New York mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani, whose zero-tolerance crime policy was widely credited with turning his city around.

"I think we need strong people to lead," said Beatriz Di Dio, 62, a retired secretary, voicing a sentiment heard often here. "I know from what I read in the newspapers about the United States is that you changed the security a lot in the past few years, thanks to the strong hand of someone like Giuliani."

No crime has traumatized the nation more than kidnappings. Abductors often target the relatives of the wealthy -- the brother of a local soccer star and the father of a popular soap opera actor were kidnapped in recent months -- and demand as much as $200,000 in ransom.

But kidnappers also snatch people such as Bardin off the streets in unplanned attacks, holding them hostage for as little as an hour, and demanding maybe a few hundred dollars in exchange for their release. Here in Buenos Aires, a kidnapping is reported every 36 hours.

"I don't think there was anything premeditated about my kidnapping," Bardin said. "These guys saw me walking alone in a nice neighborhood. It was dark. They saw an opportunity and they took it."

Carolina Ibarra was nearly the victim of a kidnapping in June 2001 when the 24-year-old actress was parking her new sports car near her apartment in the trendy Palermo neighborhood in Buenos Aires.

"These two horrible guys got into my car, one with a gun, and he put the gun against my back, and the other one told this guy: Why don't we let [her] get out?" An argument ensued and in the confusion, Ibarra jumped from the car and ran. "They took my car with everything."

A year later she was robbed of her purse at gunpoint on the same corner. Four months later, she was leaving an audition when she discovered someone had broken into her car and stolen her radio.

"Our country is worse every day," said Ibarra, who like many people here says she no longer hails taxis in the street because she is afraid that the driver will be a kidnapper waiting to pounce. "The people don't have enough money and people don't think before they act. They are more desperate," she said.

"In the last two years things have changed a lot. I used to think that nothing can happen to me, but now I know that this is not true. I used to walk a lot, but now I don't anymore. Because nowadays anything can happen," Ibarra said.

Argentina was among the world's 10 richest countries at the turn of the last century. A succession of military dictatorships and corrupt civilian governments ate away at the country's productivity and development, but Argentina remained Latin America's richest country. Its standard of living rivaled that of many European nations, and it was seemingly insulated from the poverty and yawning chasm between rich and poor that characterize countries such as Brazil and Mexico.

Argentina undertook a free-market restructuring in the early and mid-1990s, but was then swept by the global financial crisis that began in East Asia in 1997. It sank into recession and has not fully recovered. Profligate public spending, financed with debt, led Argentina to default on loan repayments to international lenders and forced it to devalue its currency in 2001. Nearly one-quarter of the workforce is now unemployed.

"We've never seen the numbers of very poor people on the streets like we're seeing now," said Miguel Gil, a police officer here for 30 years and now the director of Magnum Security. "The criminals today are fearless."

Argentines have adapted accordingly.

"I am always taking precautions," said Di Dio, the retired secretary, who now works part time in sales. "I am afraid in stores, buses and subways. Also when I leave the bank. Now it is very common in a bank to see a woman put her hands in her bra and take money out. Before, this would have been really embarrassing, but it is necessary now. Ten or 15 years ago, we were never afraid to be in the streets."
The change is profound for a population known for its love of culture, theater and dance, dining out with friends and late nights on the town.

"We are becoming more isolated," said Fernando Fabregues, a psychiatrist here.

"People really feel insecure outside their homes and so they are going out less and less, and Argentines are by nature very outgoing, affectionate people. We have all of these lovely houses now covered up with iron bars on their windows," Fabregues said. "We never had that before in Argentina. We were very open. These are really very sad times we're living in."

Special correspondent Brian Byrnes contributed to this report.


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Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by ricardo.

Wayne1,

Its suppoused that we argue about war, you criticize ONE of the armies in battle and i criticize the other.
Its only that...
If i want to post hundreds of posts showing the bad side of argentina or USA or Japan or anyother country i could do it and you too... ¿so?

Do you think this post is something personal????????????? Come on!!!!

I tell you before: dont be so paranoid as Mr Bush.

Not everybody that says something against Bush and his propaganda system are trashing USA, ¿its so difficult to understand?

USA is bigger than Bush (thanks God!!)

Only dictators as Saddam, with all his pictures on every corner, try to make the people thinks that HE IS the country and every one that blames him is blaming the country. Bush did the same, now you feel attacked if some one says something against Bush and Bush ITS NOT USA.

If Bush is not a dictator (and he is, you freedom is not the same as 4 years ago... but thats another point and its your problem since its inside USA) then please stop acting like Saddam or Fidel Castro that dosent are tolerant with dissent people.

Do i make myself clear?


PS:
BTW, nobody here knows (or even cares) who is Giuliani, you journalist seams to be talking about Mexico and maybe he dont notice that its a different country from Argentina!!.
Mexicans ask Giuliani to help them with Mexico City, but here, believe me, Giuliani its not even known by nobody.
Exactly as you may not know (and dont have to) the name of the senators in argentina, how could you expect that people here knows about Giuliani!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Nobody here knows the name of none USA government people but Bush and now maybe Rumsfeld, thats all. Its logical!!!


But in agree with Cor, i will quit this post. For me its over and forgotten.


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Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by wayne1.
Its suppoused that we argue about war, you criticize ONE of the armies in battle and i criticize the other.
Its only that...
If i want to post hundreds of posts showing the bad side of argentina or USA or Japan or anyother country i could do it and you too... ¿so?

Do you think this post is something personal????????????? Come on!!!!

I tell you before: dont be so paranoid as Mr Bush.

Not everybody that says something against Bush and his propaganda system are trashing USA, ¿its so difficult to understand?

USA is bigger than Bush (thanks God!!)

Only dictators as Saddam, with all his pictures on every corner, try to make the people thinks that HE IS the country and every one that blames him is blaming the country. Bush did the same, now you feel attacked if some one says something against Bush and Bush ITS NOT USA.

If Bush is not a dictator (and he is, you freedom is not the same as 4 years ago... but thats another point and its your problem since its inside USA) then please stop acting like Saddam or Fidel Castro that dosent are tolerant with dissent people.
First off I don't give a crap about Bush the guy needs to secure the borders here for starters among many other things I just thank God he's sticking it to the UN. I posted the article about to make you think about using your time and energy for something worthwhile rather than spitting on the USA (why no protest against the tax money we use to help your economy??) read your own posts, you portray the USA as the most evil country in the world since it's inception, you don't just trash Bush but all our veterans and call all people drug addicts etc. then come off with this "but I love the people of USA" bull****, buy some brains with my tax money.
(btw I think Kissinger should have been executed years ago he called our vietnam soldiers "dumb animals for the slaughter" amoung other BS.)

Do I make myself clear??
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Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by TheBeck.

The foreign aid we send to Argentina does nothing but further corrupts their government and further erodes their economy. How can local Argentina companies compete with free hand outs from the U.S.?
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Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by Muadib.

I think many of these small minded little countries would die of surprise (rather than starvation) if we were to cut off all the foreign aid we send them.

Hey gang. What say we move into Syria next, eh? Their hiding Saddam's chemicals, and we're already in the neighborhood...
Besides, I heard there're a lot of innocent women and children over there for us to slaughter.

BTW: Check out an interview with an Iraqi woman describing the death and carnage we're causing over there, and how they really feel about us.

http://68.43.54.191/interview.mp3



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Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by Muadib.
Originally posted by ricardo
Claim Bush, he send them to kill and be killed.
Wa was not necessary, it is obvious.
Why start the war just when the UN inspectors was giving some results?
THE U.N. WEAPONS INSPECTORS WEREN'T GETTING ANY RESULTS!

If you're talking about Saddam destroying a few missiles, you're as mis-lead as you think we are. Those missiles were meant to be found. If you've ever played chess, you know you have to sacrifice a pawn or two. It was all smoke and mirrors. Saddam was able to play the gullable UN like a violin. He knew exactly what to do. His only mistake was thinking that Bush would bow to the pressures of the UN, or that he could get sympathetic arab nations to join him in a holy war.





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Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by Muadib.
Originally posted by ricardo

Just one question... if Iraq is over: who is next?
I'm for Syria. And then on to France!

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