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Anyone heard from Fred yet if this is even an option he is interested in?

Lets not put the cart ahead of the horse.

Anyone heard from Fred yet if this is even an option he is interested in?

The offer of scurrier is nonsense. He didn't realize that Fred WOULD need a resale license IF he wants to include fmod to PB. This license costs about 12500 US$ for one product. PBWin32+PBLinux = 2 products = 25000$

Engine Resale (Integration into a commercial, non audio related engine with intention to be re-sold as middleware. I.e. game engine, graphics engine.)

we usually charge an upfront fee now, so it would be 2.5 times the cost of a site license (ie $12.5k for win32 alone). This allows users to freely develop their own programs without needing a license themselves. If you want to make the end users of your product pay for the license if they ever develop a product using your compiler and fmod, then that would cost the price of a normal product license, but incurs stricter licensing as in you must make sure the users are aware of this.
regards,

Brett Paterson
CEO / Lead Programmer.
Firelight Technologies Pty Ltd.
FMOD SoundSystem
http://www.fmod.org

MFG
WolfgangS

Maybe we should let Fred take the ball and run with this one...
And hopefully, he can contact the CEO of Fmod and clear all the uncertainty up..?!

I'd love to see a full Fmod implementation in PureBasic though!!!

I also think there must be some serious mis-communication going on.
I don't know why the author would allow his work to be included in an entire programming language for such a minimal price. He would lose every licensing opportunity. Plus, lets not ask what happen when someone somehow uses it to make some sort of DLL for use in another language...

That, or the guy is in serious need for cash and is willing to give it away like that.

koehler wrote:...That, or the guy is in serious need for cash and is willing to give it away like that.

Let's hope that's the case, coz it would certainly benefit us PB users if Fred decides to implement it... (strongly hoping he will )

LarsG,

It does seem that unrealistic to me.

. Plus, lets not ask what happen when someone somehow uses it to make some sort of DLL for use in another language...

The license can forbid this type of activity, just as the PureBasic license does with its own libraries.

FMOD is already free for non commercial use.

Plus PureBasic as well as the programs produced with it have a strong argument for falling under the 'Shareware, hobbyist agreement'

http://www.fmod.org/ifmodlicense.html

I just hope it will be implemented, and that the users can sell their programs/games commercially without any licencing..

Hi sean,
Multiplatform licenses cost more. For win32+mac it is 4000*.75 = 3k
(see 'license' page on fmod.org), and linux is always free if bought
with another platform.
In this case I guess I can waive it.
Regards,


Brett Paterson
CEO / Lead Programmer.
Firelight Technologies Pty Ltd.
FMOD SoundSystem
http://www.fmod.org

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sean currier [mailto:scurrier@3dcurrman.com]
> Sent: Monday, 1 March 2004 5:58 AM
> To: sales@fmod.org
> Subject: Re: site license
>
>
> Hi.
> The donations have started but the Developer Fred had a
> question Since PureBasic supports 3 OS's aand maybe 4 in the
> near future will this Lic. let him use FMOD on all that he
> supports or will we have to come up with 2K for each additional OS
>
> PB supports Windows, Linux, Amiga, soon MacOSX
>
> P.S. have you tried PureBasic just wondering it is a great
> basic language that makes superfast standalone exe. as fast
> as C++ if not faster. The word is getting out and now we have
> 933 users not bad when I bought it there was around 250
> users. and the price was right around $60.00 the developer is
> trying to get some addons without raising the price of PB
> thats why the users are trying to donate to get FMOD
>
> Sean
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Firelight Technologies" <sales@fmod.org>
> To: "'sean currier'" <scurrier@3dcurrman.com>
> Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2004 9:06 AM
> Subject: RE: site license
>
>
> > Hi sean,
> > Yes it is usually best for the developer themselves to
> contact us with
> > those matters, Cheers,
> >
> >
> > Brett Paterson
> > CEO / Lead Programmer.
> > Firelight Technologies Pty Ltd.
> > FMOD SoundSystem
> > http://www.fmod.org
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: sean currier [mailto:scurrier@3dcurrman.com]
> > > Sent: Saturday, 28 February 2004 11:08 AM
> > > To: sales@fmod.org
> > > Subject: Re: site license
> > >
> > >
> > > I am just a loyal PureBasic User and the developer looked at your
> > > web page and gave up instantly but the users like my self
> would love
> > > to have this added to PureBasic. It is the users that are
> trying to
> > > come up with the money to get this for our language and Fred the
> > > developer said is we could get this we would impliment it in the
> > > language for the users to use i will relay the news and
> hopfully we
> > > can get the ball rolling and come up with the 2K. Once we
> have the
> > > money want me to get fred to e-mail you for the Lic. for
> PureBasic?
> > >
> > > Sean
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Firelight Technologies" <sales@fmod.org>
> > > To: "'sean currier'" <scurrier@3dcurrman.com>
> > > Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 10:58 AM
> > > Subject: RE: site license
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hi sean,
> > > > Well as I said, im not too concerned about purebasic resale
> > > as it isnt
> > > > going to lose me too much money I think, so as I said, a single
> > > > product license would cover it. You initially mentioned
> > > site license
> > > > which is $5k and a resale license is $12.5k and I am
> offering it
> > > > to you for the price of a single product license which is $2k.
> > > That is
> > > > probably discounted from what you or he were originally
> > > thinking I'm
> > > > not sure. How are you related to purebasic anyway? Why
> isnt the
> > > > developer of purebasic the one contacting me?
> > > >
> > > > Brett Paterson
> > > > CEO / Lead Programmer.
> > > > Firelight Technologies Pty Ltd.
> > > > FMOD SoundSystem
> > > > http://www.fmod.org
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: sean currier [mailto:scurrier@3dcurrman.com]
> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, 24 February 2004 9:30 AM
> > > > > To: sales@fmod.org
> > > > > Subject: Re: site license
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Ok is there any special pricing for a resale license for
> > > FMOD. Only
> > > > > about 5% of the programmers would be making resale games or
> > > > > screensavers or whatever, but it would be a nice addition to
> > > > > PureBasic for new users to see FMOD and maybe help
> > > > >
> > > > > Fred the developer of this great language gets more
> > > business. He has
> > > > > about 950 users so far but FMOD would help him get more
> > > users. Again
> > > > > this would be the user of PureBasic trying to help out
> > > Fred to make
> > > > > his product even better, and yes I would be one of the 5%
> > > that would
> > > > > be selling games and stuff.
> > > > >
> > > > > If there were a special price for languages that was
> > > not too much
> > > > > the end users of PureBasic would try to get the money to help
> > > > > out Fred and this great language.
> > > > >
> > > > > If you could give a special price I am sure all PB users with
> > > > > web sites wouldn't have a problem putting a link on there
> > > page to your
> > > > > or even on the main PureBasic web site.
> > > > >
> > > > > If we could get this for Fred I am sure he would help
> > > advertise FMOD
> > > > > any way possible.
> > > > >
> > > > > If you could tell me the resale price for PureBasic to
> > > use FMOD
> > > > > and if we could get some sort of discount this would help
> > > out both
> > > > > companies FMOD and PureBasic
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks for your time
> > > > >
> > > > > Sean Currier
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Firelight Technologies" <sales@fmod.org>
> > > > > To: "'sean currier'" <scurrier@3dcurrman.com>
> > > > > Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2004 4:49 AM
> > > > > Subject: RE: site license
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hi sean,
> > > > > > A site license is for multiple products, whereas it sounds
> > > > > > like purebasic is a single product, so maybe you would be
> > > interested in
> > > > > > that.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The issue is with resale where end users of purebasic might
> > > > > > try and make something commercial and sell it,
> which is where
> > > > > > we
> > > > > offer resale
> > > > > > licenses which are a lot more than a site license, but I
> > > > > think in this
> > > > > > case it wont be a problem and I'll let it go.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Brett Paterson
> > > > > > CEO / Lead Programmer.
> > > > > > Firelight Technologies Pty Ltd.
> > > > > > FMOD SoundSystem
> > > > > > http://www.fmod.org
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > From: sean currier [mailto:scurrier@3dcurrman.com]
> > > > > > > Sent: Friday, 20 February 2004 9:52 AM
> > > > > > > To: sales@fmod.org
> > > > > > > Subject: site license
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > > > I was wondering if there is or could be a special
> > > > > > > pricing for hobby language? there is a group of us that
> > > > > > > would like to
> > > > > implement
> > > > > > > FMOD into PureBasic and it would be some of the members
> > > > > of PureBasic
> > > > > > > trying to come up with the money to get a site
> > > license for the
> > > > > > > language. The main coder of PureBasic thinks that it
> > > would be to
> > > > > > > expansive and has given up on FMOD, But if you could do
> > > > > some sort of
> > > > > > > price break to help out this great language and maybe
> > > become a
> > > > > > > supporter of some sort that would be greatly appreciated,
> > > > > and people
> > > > > > > that write programs in PureBasic would probably give a
> > > > > link on there
> > > > > > > site to yours for any help you could give us. Again
> > > this would
> > > > > > > be the users of this language trying to come up with
> > > the money
> > > > > > > for a site license not the language itself
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks
> > > > > > > Sean Currier
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>



hear is my E-Mail with the CEO of FMOD so
@WolfgangS read them and he is giving PB a break cause we said he wouldn't loose his shirt doing this for us and i am sorry i tried to help out!
it's won't happen again

Sean


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No.. don't give up Sean.. I think it was a great initiative...
But I think Fred should speak to the CEO of FMOD now, as it
seemed by the mails, that he'd rather speak with Fred himself...

My understanding of the mails, is that we have a chance of getting a *very* good price for FMOD..
It would be stupid not to further play with this.. atleast until Fred gets the final price of a "resale" license..

I agree with LarsG don't give up, you've done a lot of good ground work, it would bit a pitty and shame to stop now.

I wonder, though, if there is a "lite" version available for less $$ ($25000 is a lot of moola) that has the core features we need (and the right to create our own commercial programs that incorporate FMOD's features).

If this were the case, what ARE the core features that we simply MUST have?

- I put my vote in for mod\xm\it playback and wav\ogg\mp3\cd support. Anything more than that is pure gravy for me

Russell

Hi, This topic about FMOD is interesting, i can donate some money for this, but not a lot, about 30€, im a student and i dont have a work. I see a lot of price for licence PB, first i think that it would be great to know the real price, i also think that fred must say something about this, and talk with FMOD creators.

Fred has told me that he has no plans of implementing FMOD, or any other sound-engine, into PureBasic at this moment...
What may happen with this in a later stage, we don't know.

I think it's OK not to implement fmod native if it costs so much.

The most users do only need a multichannel-playback-system for pcm-based sounds and mods. I think there are some other audioengines out there, I think audiere ? perhaps bass.dll in a light version ? some other's ?
Though I don't think they'll support linux and mac.

fmod is great, of course, because of it's optimized routines and crossplatform-compatibility, and MUCH more functionality (e.g. the DSP-chain) but the fmod-team knows what this functionality is worth.

And if you want to use it, use it. The fmod-import works as fast as CallFunctionFast and supports features. You just have to pay for fmod for non-freeware. And there's a big discount for non-high-profit-software, too.

So other than FMOD, are there any other choices?

Is BassMod any good? Cheaper?

Is it feasable for someone to write a core module\wav mixer in PB\Fasm that EVERYONE could use for free?

I started on a PB-based mod player once, but I couldn't figure out how to gain hardware-level control of the sound card.

Any suggestions?

Thanks,
Russell