Net users want law to can spam

BackupUser · Post by **BackupUser** » Wed Jan 29, 2003 1:54 pm

Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by tinman.

On the subject of spam, I just received a top quality piece'o'meat. They were trying to sell me a list of email addresses which were "guaranteed" to be opt-in only. Irony so thick you could flatten your clothes with it

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BackupUser · Post by **BackupUser** » Thu Jan 30, 2003 8:47 pm

Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by cor.

This is the solution.

All you need to do to banish junk email forever is to change a few settings in your email program (or run our one-click program which does this for you) so that your email will be filtered by the spamzap server before it is sent to you. The spamzap server then trashes all spam, returning any unsolicited or junk email to the sender with a note saying how to re-send (in case it really isn't spam) so that you never miss any important email.
You can turn blocking on or off at any time
How do we know for sure that it's spam and not a real email? That's easy - if it's mass unsolicted bulk email, it will be sent to hundreds/thousands of other spamzap users (so we detect it immediately), or will come through a "spam-friendly" source (which are flagged as blocked or "open relay"). Your legitimate private email will never fall into this category!

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BackupUser · Post by **BackupUser** » Sun Feb 02, 2003 1:28 am

Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by cor.

This is how it works?

Verify each new e-mail address as they come into your account. It does it through a handshake verification process that makes the sender confirm they are a real live person and not a bulk e-mail spammer.

When you receive a message, your mail Program checks to see if it is from a familiar address. If not, it places the message on hold and immediately sends a letter of introduction to the sender asking them to reply in a unique way. If they reply as requested, the senders message is allowed to pass through to your inbox and they are added to your list of Friends - they never have to confirm again!

If they do not reply to the message in a certain amount of time, then the message is delivered to your unverified folder and held for 14 days. If they fail to respond in that time, the senders address is placed in your "blocked" list stopping the delivery of any future e-mails from that sender.

Using Windows 98 SE
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http://www.ready4music.com

BackupUser · Post by **BackupUser** » Sun Feb 02, 2003 12:44 pm

Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by TheBeck.

This is a good idea, I have thought of it in the past. Why I haven't seen it implemented I do not know. It just seems so logical. This is actually the scheme that came to mind when PB made his post but this would require software and PB said his idea would not. I doubt this is a new idea though.

This is how it works?

Verify each new e-mail address as they come into your account. It does it through a handshake verification process that makes the sender confirm they are a real live person and not a bulk e-mail spammer.

When you receive a message, your mail Program checks to see if it is from a familiar address. If not, it places the message on hold and immediately sends a letter of introduction to the sender asking them to reply in a unique way. If they reply as requested, the senders message is allowed to pass through to your inbox and they are added to your list of Friends - they never have to confirm again!

If they do not reply to the message in a certain amount of time, then the message is delivered to your unverified folder and held for 14 days. If they fail to respond in that time, the senders address is placed in your "blocked" list stopping the delivery of any future e-mails from that sender.

Using Windows 98 SE
Registered PB version : 3.40 (Windows)
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C. de Visser
Author of Super Guitar Chord Finder
http://www.ready4music.com

BackupUser · Post by **BackupUser** » Sun Feb 02, 2003 4:23 pm

Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by PB.

> When you receive a message, your mail Program checks to see if it
> is from a familiar address. If not, it places the message on hold
> and immediately sends a letter of introduction to the sender asking
> them to reply in a unique way.

Two problems (first is minor, second is major):

(1) You're wasting your own bandwidth by replying, and if you pay by
the megabyte (like I do) it means you're wasting money for nothing.

(2) If it's from a spammer, you have now verified that your e-mail
address is valid and read, much like replying with "Unsubscribe",
which you should NEVER do. So the spammer now knows to keep you
on his spam list, and can sell your address to others.

My method suffers neither of these.

BackupUser · Post by **BackupUser** » Sun Feb 02, 2003 10:09 pm

Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by TheBeck.

> Two problems (first is minor, second is major):

I don't think ether of these are problems at all. If anything spamers will want to stop sending spam to these email addresses because they will have 0% return. Think of all of the bandwidth this will save in the long run. Suddenly spam doesn't make money any more, the spam will stop. This method only takes more bandwidth when someone new wants to contact you. Both of your points are completely invalid, for every 10kb to 100kb spam received you need only send a 1kb link to verification site. Your method is non-existent. Put up, or shut up.

BackupUser · Post by **BackupUser** » Mon Feb 03, 2003 12:25 am

Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by ricardo.

This method maybe works if you receive only e mails from friends, but if you receive often emails from teh users of your application... will give you headhaches!!

Its a very annoying way to stop spam, i think there sould be some easier method.

Best Regards

Ricardo

Dont cry for me Argentina...

BackupUser · Post by **BackupUser** » Mon Feb 03, 2003 12:46 am

Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by TheBeck.

I have had the same email address since 1996 and I now get over 100 spam emails a day. It may not be perfect, but I would gladly take it if it meant I would not have to spent 1/2 hour a day filtering my email by hand.

BackupUser · Post by **BackupUser** » Mon Feb 03, 2003 7:56 am

Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by cor.

(2) If it's from a spammer, you have now verified that your e-mail
address is valid and read, much like replying with "Unsubscribe",
which you should NEVER do. So the spammer now knows to keep you
on his spam list, and can sell your address to others.

I don't think spammers filter your replied message and adapt the mailing list they send. It cost to much time to adapt it when sending 10.000 's of mail. So they send only the orginal full mailinglist

Using Windows 98 SE
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http://www.ready4music.com

BackupUser · Post by **BackupUser** » Mon Feb 03, 2003 11:29 am

Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by PB.

> for every 10kb to 100kb spam received you need only send a 1kb link
> to verification site.

I receive about 400 spam mails a day, which equates to sending 400kb
of mail back to spammers per day. Why should I waste my monthly data
quota on unsolicited e-mail?

> This is a good idea, I have thought of it in the past. Why I haven't
> seen it implemented I do not know.

I'll tell you why: IT DOESN'T WORK. Otherwise, it'd be used. Simple.

> Your method is non-existent.

No, it isn't. There's a massive difference between non-existent and
not-for-publication, until I'm damn good and ready to exploit it.

> Put up, or shut up.

I'll put it up when the time is right, not when someone tells me to.
And you'll see that I'm right. Do you honestly think anyone in their
right mind would make such a claim in a public forum if they couldn't
deliver? Do you think I'm stupid? I think you do. Thanks a lot.

BackupUser · Post by **BackupUser** » Mon Feb 03, 2003 12:32 pm

Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by TheBeck.

> Do you think I'm stupid? I think you do. Thanks a lot.

I don't think you or anyone here is stupid, sorry if it sounded that way. "Put up, or shut up" is just and expression and was not meant to be taken in a negative way. And I wasn't pissed off at you before either.

> IT DOESN'T WORK.

Does so, dose so, dose so! /me stomping up and down and pounding fists on floor.

> Why should I waste my monthly data quota on unsolicited e-mail?

LOL data quota, poor Aussies.

BackupUser · Post by **BackupUser** » Mon Feb 03, 2003 1:21 pm

Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by PB.

> I don't think you or anyone here is stupid, sorry if it sounded that
> way. "Put up, or shut up" is just and expression and was not meant
> to be taken in a negative way. And I wasn't pissed off at you before
> either.

I'm also sorry about my reaction. I can see why nobody believes me,
because I haven't posted proof, but it will come... just takes time.

> LOL data quota, poor Aussies.

I know, we're in a backwards country here.

BackupUser · Post by **BackupUser** » Tue Feb 04, 2003 1:33 pm

Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by cor.

If it's from a spammer, you have now verified that your e-mail
address is valid and read, much like replying with "Unsubscribe",
which you should NEVER do. So the spammer now knows to keep you
on his spam list, and can sell your address to others.

So how on earth can you do business, if you reply to only users which are in your addressbook.

There is no solution for it, really.

Your technique cant be so intelligent to know if i'm a spammer or a person who want to do business with you.

Using Windows 98 SE
Registered PB version : 3.40 (Windows)
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C. de Visser
Author of Super Guitar Chord Finder
http://www.ready4music.com

BackupUser · Post by **BackupUser** » Tue Feb 04, 2003 1:48 pm

Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by PB.

> So how on earth can you do business, if you reply to only users
> which are in your addressbook.

Firstly: My method is for private home mail only, and not intended for
businesses, although it could be used that way if they wanted.

Second, I never said it allows only people in your Address Book to
contact you. A spammer could use the name/address of someone in your
Address Book to contact you, so that method is useless too.

> Your technique cant be so intelligent to know if i'm a spammer or a
> person who want to do business with you.

Wanna bet?

My definition of "spammer" is anyone who contacts you that you don't
wish to hear from: be it a true spammer, a friend-turned-enemy, and
so on. Thus, my method works even if you knew my address but I didn't
want you to contact me anymore -- without adding you to a "blacklist",
because blacklists would just grow and grow and grow... yuck!

BackupUser · Post by **BackupUser** » Tue Feb 04, 2003 4:24 pm

Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by cor.

PB,

Wanna bet

Yes I wanna bet.

You get a registered copy of my Super Guitar program ($10,00) for FREE if your technique is working

+ I send you additional $10

So, that easy earned

isn't it

But you may not use:
blacklists
filter rules
no reply
addressbook definitions
don't block all e-mails at default
no filter of headers
no smpt blocking (port 25) or DNS reverse lookup
no IP range blocking or DNS blocking
no pop before smtp

I'am waiting for the release date of your technique, can't wait....
And what is your bet?

Good luck

Using Windows 98 SE
Registered PB version : 3.40 (Windows)
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C. de Visser
Author of Super Guitar Chord Finder
http://www.ready4music.com