Goodbye Ionic Wind...

[yoxola]

I bought the source since 2008 and it's possible to reconstruct EB(parser, libs, compiler) from the source. However. since it's going to be abandoned there's not much thing we can do anyway.

They're not big money in relative to my income, however it's a pity to see things ended up like this.

[theNerd]

I think Fred and Rings have the right idea. It's better to welcome EBasic and Creative users. I bet a lot of them will be looking for a new Indie language. My guess is the choices will either be PureBasic or PowerBasic depending on personal taste. I bought PureBasic a few years ago and have also bought the two books that came out (2D game programming and Kale's). I'll be checking out the forums, as well, to get a feel for PureBasic again.

Anyways, I lost money on the .NET version of EBasic but I can live with that. I wish Paul the best for his future.

[Ionic Refugee]

If he never formed a proper company then he still retains the rights,

In New York, if you are a sole proprietor, you do not need to register your business with the state. However, if you are a sole proprietor and are not doing business under your own name, but under a business name, you must register the business name with the state.

From a simple phone call, there is no record of the business name Ionic Wind Software ever being used in the state of New York. An online search of New York state records shows the same. Ionic Wind Software has never legally existed.

This does make me question the claim he was going through bankruptcy a few months ago and was in danger of losing the business. You can't lose something that does not legally exist, and providing false information in bankruptcy court is a major no-no. I will forward all info I have on Paul to my sister who works for the Internal Revenue Service as a manager. She can see this gets looked into. Something is definitely going on *shakes head*

[SFSxOI]

They might be DBA which is legal in New York without registering the new name (under certain circumstances). A company can register under their root company name and just list the other DBA's or branches in the original licensing application without having to register each one in some cases and the names will not show on the granted license. If its just a private personal internet based thing without actual physical busines holdings (i.e.. store fronts, shops, warehouses, offices, etc...) there is no requirement to register as a business if its the only entity and not part of another company with physical holdings in the state. So its entirely possible, and most likely legal, there is no Ionic Wind Software licensened in New York. Sometimes business license requirements don't apply to places selling unfinished products, did Ionic keep the product in a state of beta? If so then a business license requirement might not apply and that may be why it is not listed as having a license.

Its like PureBasic, i'm pretty sure Fred didn't apply for a business license in New York to be able to sell PureBasic to people in New York. (did you Fred? )

[Kuron]

Its like PureBasic, i'm pretty sure fred didn't apply for a business license in New York to be able to sell PureBasic to people in New York. (did you Fred? )

Why would he? Fred doesn't live in New York

[SFSxOI]

Its like PureBasic, i'm pretty sure fred didn't apply for a business license in New York to be able to sell PureBasic to people in New York. (did you Fred? )

Why would he? Fred doesn't live in New York

That was sort of the point, he doesn't have to. There are many excpetions to not having to get a business license yet you can still do business. Its not always where you live or are established, its how you do business, that determines over 90% of business license requirements.

[Ionic Refugee]

They might be DBA which is legal in New York without registering the new name (under certain circumstances).

I see you edited out Philon, Inc. To be incorporated, Paul would have had to get two other people on board, not to mention the yearly meetings, minutes, etc.

You misread what I said, or you misread the law. If you are a sole-proprietor you do not have to register your business. However, if you are not doing business under your own name, the business name (not the business itself) must be registered under New York state law. There is no registration for the name Ionic Wind Software.

there is no Ionic Wind Software licensened in New York.

A license is not required for a sole proprietorship.

Its like PureBasic, i'm pretty sure fred didn't apply for a business license in New York to be able to sell PureBasic to people in New York. (did you Fred? )

Like somebody else mentioned, Fred doesn't live in New York. Hence NY state laws do not apply to him.

Paul does live in NY and operates his business out of NY, so NY state laws do apply to him.

[theNerd]

I will forward all info I have on Paul to my sister who works for the Internal Revenue Service as a manager. She can see this gets looked into.

Why is that necessary? Do you hate the guy that much? I have simply made the decision to move on which is what most of the EBasic\Aurora\Creative users will probably do.

[Ionic Refugee]

Why is that necessary?

If Paul is doing nothing illegal, then why be concerned?

[theNerd]

Why is that necessary?

If Paul is doing nothing illegal, then why be concerned?

It doesn't affect me in anyway but you certainly have it out for him.

[DoubleDutch]

Ionic Refugee: I would just cut your losses and move on. Enough time has been wasted on Mr Turley.

[Kuron]

For those looking for a new language, PureBasic includes 64-bit versions and supports Windows, Linux and OS X all for one low price.

Perhaps Fred would consider a short-term special on pricing as an incentive?

[theNerd]

The cross platform functionality is a big plus. Fortunately, I have bought PureBasic in the past and have worked with it a little. Like I said earlier, I am going to check out this forum and look at more example code and play around with PureBasic some more. The thing is, I own several Indie languages but it's too difficult to effectively work with more than one at a time on top of the languages I use at work.

I posed the question on Coding Monkey's asking what current Ebasic\Aurora\Creative user will do now that Ionic Wind is dead: http://www.codingmonkeys.com/index.php? ... icseen#new

My guess is Creative Basic users will stick with Creative Basic (just a hunch ). It'll be interesting to see the responses (if any).

[Kuron]

The cross platform functionality is a big plus.

IMHO, it is a must-have in this day and age.

[SFSxOI]

I see you edited out Philon, Inc.

You misread what I said, or you misread the law. If you are a sole-proprietor you do not have to register your business. However, if you are not doing business under your own name, the business name (not the business itself) must be registered under New York state law. There is no registration for the name Ionic Wind Software.

Like somebody else mentioned, Fred doesn't live in New York. Hence NY state laws do not apply to him.

Yes i edited it out, it wasn't correct. In browsing the records of business license applications and grants in New York I "over copied" in the copy and paste. sorry 'bout that, it is not registered as associated with Philon Inc as the parent company.

Oh, I understood what you said. There is no requirement for him to register as a business from what I can tell. He's sole internet based it seems, has no permanent tangible business assests in the state (office building, store front, retail outlet shop, etc...) . The company I work for does business in New York (and all 50 states and around the world) but is not required to register as a business because we don't have a permanent tangible business asset in New York, we do business under our business name. We even have contracts with New York, and are still not required to have a business license granted by New York. We maintain temporary office space there when needed. I was simply pointing out that there may be lots of reasons why a business entity is not required to have a business license in the state.

If your interest in the pursuit of the legalities in this i'd suggest you contact an attorney. I asked our legal department, i'm correct in what I said in the general sense but every case is different so maybe legal help would answer your concerns more completly.

Just what has this guy done wrong anyway?

I only mentioned PureBasic and Fred as an example that one does not always need to get a license to do business, I did not mean to imply that Fred lived in New York or that laws in New York applied to him.