Aperture

Kaeru Gaman · Post by **Kaeru Gaman** » Sun Oct 07, 2007 10:57 pm

and?
to understand things, you have to know where they come from...

Ollivier · Post by **Ollivier** » Sun Oct 07, 2007 11:04 pm

@Rook

In an hospital, the cost of a specialised screen is about $2500(Edit: $3200, I don't know exactly in $, but it's 3000€). Why? Cause it's in a hospital, not cause he would have more pixels than a classical display... The warranty is limited too. And it's a PC at the source. The problem you explain by this example exists in many companies.

But you show a side of Apple that's intersting to remember...

Ollivier · Post by **Ollivier** » Sun Oct 07, 2007 11:11 pm

2 irene

Read this and think about the future CPU generation!

I don't know if you can read this page in your native langage to understand the future project who's born :

A cell containing a binary digit IS an hydrogen atom. In France, physicians created logic nanogates. And I don't think our country is alone. In 2 or 3 years, we'll see the first CPU prototypes with clock in ExaHertz.

Intel is actually the first. Intel'll stay the first. That's certainly why Mac had this strategy.

Irene · Post by **Irene** » Sun Oct 07, 2007 11:36 pm

Kaeru Gaman wrote:and?
to understand things, you have to know where they come from...

Sure, but think about it:

"Macs have been and will continue to be better than PCs."
"Macs were good, but PCs are _now_ better."

Just my 1€ and 85 cents (which I will spend tomorrow for chocolate) ^_^

However all this Mac vs PC stuff is actually OS X vs Windows. There is NO general operating system for the PC. One can choose from Windows to BSD to GNU/Hurd to SkyOS. On the Mac though, the general operating system is OS X.

So from here on if someone argues about which one is better then note if you talk about the hardware or the operating systems. This is a general misconception and I think it should be avoided; PC <> A box with Windows on top of it ^o^

Ollivier · Post by **Ollivier** » Sun Oct 07, 2007 11:43 pm

@Irene

OS X vs Windows?

No! >> Leopard vs Vista

We are in 2007

pdwyer · Post by **pdwyer** » Mon Oct 08, 2007 2:06 am

When I hear about serious large companies that have a mac server farm footprint I'll take the mac seriously. If all I wanted was eye candly I'd buy a mac or I'd by vista. Both of which can compete about which can still have cpu cycles left after wasting half of them on bells and whistles, singing dolpohins and morphing translucent windows. :roll:

These days "a better OS" seems to be one that:
- Looks better / sexier
- People write less virus's for

I'd never by a pc or server that the vendor discourages opening the box to get at the parts. (Which is probably why I can never bring myself to buy a laptop

)

But I'm not a professional programmer though, so what would I know!

Ollivier · Post by **Ollivier** » Mon Oct 08, 2007 2:45 am

You've right.

When I think actually, I've XP in an old PC, I'm already ok with it. It doesn't krash. It's cool. And if I want an new option, hop! PB code... And it's good!

Irene · Post by **Irene** » Mon Oct 08, 2007 8:47 am

Ollivier wrote:@Irene

OS X vs Windows?

No! >> Leopard vs Vista :o

We are in 2007 :D

^_^

djes · Post by **djes** » Mon Oct 08, 2007 9:19 am

Irene wrote:
Kaeru Gaman wrote:and?
to understand things, you have to know where they come from...
Sure, but think about it:

"Macs have been and will continue to be better than PCs."
"Macs were good, but PCs are _now_ better."

Just my 1€ and 85 cents (which I will spend tomorrow for chocolate) ^_^

However all this Mac vs PC stuff is actually OS X vs Windows. There is NO general operating system for the PC. One can choose from Windows to BSD to GNU/Hurd to SkyOS. On the Mac though, the general operating system is OS X.

So from here on if someone argues about which one is better then note if you talk about the hardware or the operating systems. This is a general misconception and I think it should be avoided; PC <> A box with Windows on top of it ^o^

A Mac is now a PC (even if it has always been a Personal Computer) : the hardware is plain IBM compatible. So, the discussion is now about MacOS X vs Windows Vista (again!!!). Personally, I don't think that Windows is better than MacOS. Do you?

pdwyer · Post by **pdwyer** » Mon Oct 08, 2007 9:47 am

It might have been but now with vista I'm not so sure. Mac users say mac is getting better, windows users don't say that anymore and rightfully so.

Windows 2003 is good. I haven't tried the windows server 2008 RC yet, I'm a little scared it's all gone in the wrong direction too though

I'm not really a linux fan, I've installed it so many times since redhat 5 about 10 years ago, turbolinux was the only one I got close to liking but I just can't get into it long term.

Windows future is looking bleak

Irene · Post by **Irene** » Mon Oct 08, 2007 9:58 am

Blame Microsoft for focusing more on fashion than functionality. Personally I think the companies who develop operating systems should make them very functional and flexible, leaving the desktop fashioning to the user. Windows XP's Luna is pretty simple and basic, but with WindowBlinds I could make my XP look just like I want. Aero takes too many resources, has too many effects here and there... it would have been much better if Microsoft wouldn't have released Vista, but updated XP to SP3 or something similar. In my opinion not only Microsoft but even Apple have been leading the wrong way for many years already. ^_^

Are you keeping up with the Commodore? ^o^
This one seems to be a good value and worth the money ^_^

pdwyer · Post by **pdwyer** » Mon Oct 08, 2007 10:10 am

XP SP3's coming out after vista SP1.

That's what our TAM says anyway.

pdwyer · Post by **pdwyer** » Mon Oct 08, 2007 10:13 am

I never tried this on XP ( http://www.litepc.com/xplite.html )

But if they make a working Vista version! I'm a new customer

djes · Post by **djes** » Mon Oct 08, 2007 11:30 am

Irene wrote:Blame Microsoft for focusing more on fashion than functionality. Personally I think the companies who develop operating systems should make them very functional and flexible, leaving the desktop fashioning to the user. Windows XP's Luna is pretty simple and basic, but with WindowBlinds I could make my XP look just like I want. Aero takes too many resources, has too many effects here and there... it would have been much better if Microsoft wouldn't have released Vista, but updated XP to SP3 or something similar. In my opinion not only Microsoft but even Apple have been leading the wrong way for many years already. ^_^

Are you keeping up with the Commodore? ^o^
This one seems to be a good value and worth the money ^_^

spicy! I'll not go on this way, because you don't know what you're saying about

I agree with you about the "customisation stuff". I just know that these things are taking cpu power and extra ram, so I want to adjust them to have a good balance between design and functionality. I don't want to have a lot of effects everywhere if I can't switch them off; it's only taking my time.

But an OS is not just how is the desktop. I want speed! I hate to have to wait for a task to run another one. I hate to have delay when I launch a program. I hate to loose focus when I'm doing something, typing a text, opening a menu. I want to control on how much cpu is given to a certain task. Most of all, I hate to have hidden things on my computer! I hate to install stuff and don't know what they are doing, putting files everywhere, patching my system! As a coder, I hate to search everytime to know what is the good way to do some things (and rarely find!), to have the feeling to always using tricks to do normal tasks, to not be sure that my program will not react the same way on all computers.

If you know the time debt that Microsoft has! I've lost billions hours installing DOS/Windows/Apps/Patches. Running over and over again because there was no Pnp, then pnp but it was fuss, again and again because you need to restart because this user level driver new feature is a fuss.

Sure, MacOS is not the panacea, but we all know that it was, for a long time, way ahead windows in terms of functionnality and usability. A good mac user knows how to hack his system, but most of them just want a computer that just work. Their job is not in computers! They just don't care. And it's ok for me. As long as Steve Jobs is doing good things in computers, innovating again and not only copying good ideas, I'll be on his side.

Irene · Post by **Irene** » Mon Oct 08, 2007 11:57 am

djes, I totally agree 100%! ^_^
Do you know what? I think I know why Bill Gates and Steve Jobs are brainless and fight without reason... they drank Banana Juice! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIyrO4p0YJc

That guy is cute but the Banana Juice is extremely healthy ^o^