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Quin wrote: Thu Aug 15, 2024 8:39 pm As far as the alt shortcuts, Fred said this:

You should use DefDlgProc() instead of DefWindowProc() to handle keyboard shortcut and more. PB doesn't do that because all window are not dialog in PB. I might add a flag to the window creation to enable this.

In this topic. That flag has yet to be added though.

Time to build a mob with pitchforks and torches and firmly ask for that. It would be also a great argument FOR PureBasic, if the entry level for blind folks is lowered.

BarryG wrote: Fri Aug 16, 2024 4:13 am

Quin wrote: Fri Aug 16, 2024 2:23 amI am indeed fully blind

But... how do you know where the cursor is in the PureBasic IDE, and which line you're editing, etc?

That's what the screen reader's for. As the name implies, it reads the screen, including my current line of code, and what I'm on as I move. It also reads the autocomplete list when it pops up, and almost everything else.
My semester starts on Monday so I'm fairly busy over the next few days, but I can make/post a recording of me navigating around the IDE using my screen reader within a couple days if people want it.

You must have a fantastic imagination! Coordinating all this is surely exhausting.

Fantastic imagination, far too much ADHD, something like that.

BTW, I watched the video you linked. Very interesting. For us seeing people it's surely hard to break the barriers if you aren't in this situation. Sure, you can add speech recognition and output or add some orientation nipples on the keyboard, but we don't understand whether it is really helpful or not. That's the problem with all minorities who have special needs.

Quin wrote: Fri Aug 16, 2024 2:31 pmI can make/post a recording of me navigating around the IDE using my screen reader within a couple days if people want it.

When you're free next, that would be great! That would be awesome and a great education for someone like me who can't fathom it. Thanks!

BTW, I tried the NVDA app and all the speech was too overwhelming for me. You have my utmost respect for coding in PureBasic with that!

@Quin
Thank you for the insight into blind computer users.
You have convinced me to stop being so lazy when I program.
I will now add keyboard hotkeys to all my menus, something I should have done from the start.

That's a very interesting topic. Making PureBasic IDE usable by everyone is something Timo always worked on, and he seems to have succeeded !

Correct me if I am wrong, but, aren't literally the only two options brail-feedback systems and audio screen readers, until some neural interface is evolved?

tj1010 wrote: Mon Aug 19, 2024 3:46 am Correct me if I am wrong, but, aren't literally the only two options brail-feedback systems and audio screen readers, until some neural interface is evolved?

That is indeed correct. I and many more advanced users trend towards only using speech, because we can crank it far faster than any human could read anything, but there are those that use braille displays too. Some have to, in fact.

Hi to all!
I am also blind, and at least 15 people with such a problem on the forum. Only we communicate little.
Youtube has a video where the blind shows how they work using screenreaders.

Now i have problems with job, but two years ago besides PC, i programmed for Arduino.
Here I wrote to myself:
https://x.com/alex_longard/status/1666792912628088832

There some videos about blind programming:
https://www.youtube.com/@codingblindtech5931/videos

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPVpUQvSQ0Q

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wn14DHeEIo

jacdelad wrote: Thu Aug 15, 2024 3:18 pm How do you code if you are blind? I know this is kinda ignorant, but I didn't think this would be possible.

Braille

Impressive, is the least I can say

I coded stuff to help "deaf" ppl (some code posted on this Forum)

I cannot be sure, but if I was blind I bet I would be very interested to hear how LoudMax improves audio