Its time to stop Bush!!!

BackupUser · Post by **BackupUser** » Sat Mar 08, 2003 1:21 pm

Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by Inner.

blueb: if all we did was program all the time we would all be burnt out Microsoft programers, it's good for us to talk about all sort of things it builds a healthy relationships between people here, joining us all to together.

As long as you can debate without flaming someone view, but accept it as that is how he thinks, and sometimes this takes a degree of acceptance of what people say.

BackupUser · Post by **BackupUser** » Sat Mar 08, 2003 3:15 pm

Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by Kale.

As long as you can debate without flaming someone view, but accept it as that is how he thinks, and sometimes this takes a degree of acceptance of what people say.

i agree, healthy discussion is great, and i think we are all intelligent enough to accept others opinions, religion and politics always provoke a huge emotional response, please refrain from flaming, and just accept others opinions even if you don't agree. I also agree that this is very hard.

--Kale

In love with PureBasic!

BackupUser · Post by **BackupUser** » Mon Mar 10, 2003 1:25 am

Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by Inner.

[IMHO] Programming/Programers & War are very much apart of one another, considering a programmer would have programed the guidance systems for a missile used in war to blow things up, so directly or indirectly we are all apart of this more or less, if only to say we "program" so did the person who wrote the missile guidance system.

BackupUser · Post by **BackupUser** » Mon Mar 10, 2003 2:14 am

Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by ricardo.

if only to say we "program" so did the person who wrote the missile gui

I hope that none of the Bush's weapons was developed using PureBasic ha ha.

Best Regards

Ricardo

Dont cry for me Argentina...

BackupUser · Post by **BackupUser** » Mon Mar 10, 2003 10:13 am

Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by Inner.

ricardo: what are you saying?, Sadam should expect his bombardment of U.S missiles and bombs sometime in 2047 ?

BackupUser · Post by **BackupUser** » Mon Mar 10, 2003 9:06 pm

Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by CoderLaureate.

Originally posted by TheBeck

> Saddam Hussien is a creation of USA (as Bin Laden was too!!!)
> killer instinct of George W. Bush

WTF?!

I refuse to get into this here ricardo but WTF!?

It's true TheBeck. We (USA) are very responsible for Saddam, and Osama being who and what they are. Heck! We even sold Amthrax to Iraq. The fact is that there is not one government on this planet that isn't underhanded, and crooked in one way or another.

I'm proud to be an American, and will fight, and/or die so that others can claim that same privilege. But I strongly disagree with Bush's plans. I think North Korea is a MUCH bigger threat than Saddam is. Not only do we know they have weapons of mass destruction. They're daring us to give them a reason to use them.

I also think that if we are to go to war with anyone it should be with the consent of the United Nations as one united front. Bush doesn't realize this, but he's playing right into Saddams hands. Saddam wants the sympathy of all the rest of the Arab countries in order to start the great jihaad. He's not only got the other Arab countries' sympathy, but the sympathies of most of the European nations as well.

At the same time, I have to accuse the European nations that oppose the war of being blind to Saddam's deception. I'm talking about the Al Samoud missiles, and the destruction there of. People say that the fact that he's destroying these missles shows progress of his disarmament. I say it's a smoke screen. Haven't you ever played chess, and had to make a sacrifice to divert your opponents attention?

I think Hans Blix is not being stern enough on his evaluations. He'll say Iraq is not disarming in one sentence, and then follow up with the opposite in the next sentence. Are they, or are they not living up to their obligations? It's that simple Hans.

Sorry, that's my rant...
I love my country, hate what the government is doing to it, and think there's a total lack of common sense in the world's governments today.

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BackupUser · Post by **BackupUser** » Mon Mar 10, 2003 9:23 pm

Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by CoderLaureate.

Originally posted by ricardo

But Al Quaeda is not an Iraq partner in fact they are the two poles on the muslim countries. One is a secular & militar government (Saddam H.) and Al Qaeda is a fanatic muslim... they are enemys.

About 9/11 i think that George Bush is the real man behind this. There are many things that point in that way.

Im happy that the world are against this kind of murders, not only Saddam Hussein, but George Bush and Aznar, etc.

Best Regards

Ricardo

Dont cry for me Argentina...

You and I see eye to eye on a lot of things Ricardo. But I don't think that Bush can be blamed for 9/11. There were attacks on the World Trade Center before Bush ever became president. These attacks were brought about by years of my government sticking their noses in other country's business, and by other countries expecting us to fight their wars for them.

I say we (the united nations) just send one massive army in to the gulf. Say "I don't care who's holy land you think it is, it's ours now!" Then to thoroghly piss them all off, we could set up a Disney Land right on the Gaza strip.

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BackupUser · Post by **BackupUser** » Mon Mar 10, 2003 10:22 pm

Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by ricardo.

1.- I never said (and i hope no one saiys) that US is not a great place with GREAT ppl. My complain is about Bush and some other specific ppl, all the rest of the americans and nice people like every people in the world.

2.- I think the same for Afganistan or iraq people -they are nice people like every ppl on the world- , if Saddam or anyone is an ogre, its not an argument to kill INOCENT people from those countries.

If there was a way to attack JUST saddam without killing inocents... its okay, but in dont want to see the destruction of an entire country.

I think that ALL THE WORLD feel so sorry in 9/11 but we are going to fell sad to if iraq people get killed too.

Like Lennon said: "Lets give peace a chance..."

Best Regards

Ricardo

Dont cry for me Argentina...

BackupUser · Post by **BackupUser** » Thu Mar 13, 2003 7:46 pm

Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by Num3.

It's about the oil...
It's about the geo-political estrategy of Iraq...
It's about giving (another) jump start to USA economy....

BTW: In the event of these actions, we might need to kill a few people and make some pretty explosions... But it's life....

Conclusion:

It's all about the money !!!

Don't be fouled by any other arguments... USA don't give a **** about Saddam...
What about China? What about Coreia? What about Iran? What about Israel?
What about the illegaly held presioners at Guantanamo ???

The MATRIX has you...

The MATRIX is the world put under your eyes....

Open your eyes... Open your mind...

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Kind Regards
Rui Carvalho

Old programmers never die... They branch into a subroutine...

BackupUser · Post by **BackupUser** » Mon Mar 17, 2003 10:44 am

Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by CoderLaureate.

I have to agree with you that the whole strategy behind Bush's dimented little brain is economy based. If anybody gave a hoot about Saddam they would have done something about it much sooner. There are much worse things going on in the world that need priority over an insane mad man in a desert somewhere.

Look what this idiot [Bush] is doing to the world Market. He thinks that there will be a flood of "relief spending" once the war starts, and the uncertainty is over. I'm not a professional market annalyst, but I think he's taking too big of a **** in our neighboors' yard to have them forgive us too easily.

I get more and more frustraited every day I read the news and see my country heading strait for it's own destruction, and there's nothing I can do about it.

-Jim

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BackupUser · Post by **BackupUser** » Tue Mar 18, 2003 4:01 am

Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by wayne1.

Originally posted by ricardo

Like Lennon said: "Lets give peace a chance..."

And like Lenin said "Peace is the absence of all resistance to communism" (or Sadam, Terror groups....) People keep saying dont do anything else there will be more terrorism, if those guys who took down the WTC would have had nukes or biologic weapons do you really think they would have hesitated to use them, sure if this was still a world of cannon balls and muskets there would be no need to go to iraq unfortunately this is not the case.
It's a different world now and it will NEVER be the same again.

BackupUser · Post by **BackupUser** » Tue Mar 18, 2003 11:37 am

Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by El_Choni.

wayne1, welcome back! Hadn't seen you around for a long time (sorry for the off-off-topic comment).

El_Choni

BackupUser · Post by **BackupUser** » Tue Mar 18, 2003 1:16 pm

Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by CoderLaureate.

I'm not saying we shouldn't do something about Saddam. I'm saying we're going about it the wrong way. Bush has just put a huge rift in the relationship we've had with our allies. For the united nations to be effective, we must all work together on a united front.

As a side note: I don't think any nation should have veto power in the U.N. It should be a true democracy all the way up to the top.

I'm not against war. When it is necessary. I do think it's necessary now, but we're going about things the wrong way.

I also support our troups going in to war. People are worried about the "thousands of innocent lives" Remember we're not going in to commit genocide. Saddam commits genocide on his own people. we're going to topple an evil government. Some innocents will die. But, that's because Saddam is using them as human shields. If he cared about his people, he'd leave, or disarm. (Or not put his millitary installations next to schools and hospitals.)

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BackupUser · Post by **BackupUser** » Tue Mar 18, 2003 4:28 pm

Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by ricardo.

It's a different world now and it will NEVER be the same again.

No, Its the same old story that repeats all the time: the big fish eats the small fishes...

2000 years ago Rome acuses some countries of the middle-east for some kinds of 'terrorism' (burn rome) and destroy them with a huge army!!

And this same think has happend many times in history.

Big fish eats small fishes...

The problem is that Bush inteligence are smaller than a fish inteligence!!

I hope HE dont destroy the world.

Best Regards

Ricardo

Dont cry for me Argentina...

BackupUser · Post by **BackupUser** » Wed Mar 19, 2003 3:40 am

Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by wayne1.

No, Its the same old story that repeats all the time: the big fish eats the small fishes.

Ah.. now I see, poor little innocent victimized misunderstood Sadam fish (anybody got a tissue)
Big bad dumb evil wicked lying Bush fish. (he's the real terrorist)
Thanks for enlightening us.