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Google buys Apple? Now that would be a turn for the books!

Buy a new Google Air, with Google Chrome OS!



Actually that's not a bad idea! Google, are you listening?

the.weavster wrote:You can with a Windows PC but you can't with a WP7 device, M$ are copying the Apple walled-garden model. Once NOKIA have been moved over from Symbian to WP7 the ability to develop your own software and install it on your own NOKIA smart phone without any involvement of any third party will be gone.

That's why I don't have a WP7, my phone uses Android. Speaking of which, I just got an update from Android 2.2 to 2.3.3.

the.weavster wrote:Windows 8 is supposed to be a universal OS, PCs, tablets and smart phones will all run the same OS, so which way will M$ go then? Will you have to get your PureBasic program signed and approved by M$ before you can install it on your own Windows 8 device?

Simple solution to that, don't upgrade to Windows 8 and don't buy anything that has Windows 8 already on it unless you can wipe it and install the OS of your choice.

For me I'll stick with Android for my phone and Windows XP for my PC.

In a "walled garden" OS can I finally drop any and all antivirus software and unleash the true power of my computer?

Apple left the door open to competition by not allowing Flash.

The recent fire sale on HP TouchPads created 1 million+ users of webOS and all indications are they liked it
And they play Flash, and they are multi-tasking, and OEM's took notice.
Some are considering licensing webOS. Samsung, HTC, etc.
While I disagree with HP's decision to get out of the fight, it may turn out to be an unintended windfall for webOS.
I read somewhere that webOS ran twice as fast on existing iPads than the latest TouchPad.
Seems that aligning best of breed HW with webOS will be mighty competition for Apple, Android, and WP7/8.

GWarner wrote:That's why I don't have a WP7, my phone uses Android. Speaking of which, I just got an update from Android 2.2 to 2.3.3.

Android is cool, unfortunately with Google you've got the snooping/profiling issue.

skywalk wrote:In a "walled garden" OS can I finally drop any and all antivirus software and unleash the true power of my computer?

You can do that already without having to accept the limitations of a walled garden - just install Linux.

skywalk wrote:Some are considering licensing webOS. Samsung, HTC, etc.

Samsung have already stated they're not interested in webOS. HTC have said they are contemplating a new OS but went on to make very flattering remarks about MeeGo on the NOKIA N9 so I don't think webOS is their preferred option.

skywalk wrote:I read somewhere that webOS ran twice as fast on existing iPads than the latest TouchPad.

I read that was a bogus report. It didn't really seem to make sense either as the TouchPad had more RAM and a faster processor that the iPad.

There was a blog post by Ari Jaaski explaining why some reviewers had reported finding webOS slow: it was their first run of the TouchPad and as webOS is multi-tasking it was doing background tasks - synching their exchange accounts, skype accounts, facebook account, indexing their music and images, etc... If they'd waited for those tasks to complete (as the iPad forces you to do) they would have found the TouchPad was plenty fast enough.

I think it's a shame HP bailed out too, webOS devices have a 'developer mode' which enables you to install your own software on your own device without needing to get it approved by a third party. The fact you had to make a conscious decision to switch into developer mode in order to install an unsigned app is a very good arrangement as far as I'm concerned, it gives you freedom but also makes you consider what you're doing before you do it. It's a real shame to see a high quality player like HP leaving the arena so soon.

the.weavster wrote:

skywalk wrote:Some are considering licensing webOS. Samsung, HTC, etc.

Samsung have already stated they're not interested in webOS. HTC have said they are contemplating a new OS but went on to make very flattering remarks about MeeGo on the NOKIA N9 so I don't think webOS is their preferred option.

Not to place too much emphasis on polls, but this contradicts your intuition...
http://twtpoll.com/wvqx9t
I am assuming that either webOS/meeGo would be impervious to Apple and M$ patent infringement claims.

Thanks for the info on the webOS benchmarking foibles.
That kinda makes sense now.

skywalk wrote:Not to place too much emphasis on polls, but this contradicts your intuition...
http://twtpoll.com/wvqx9t

I'm not really surprised by that poll, webOS is available on devices you can get your hands on right now and already has a fair number of enthusiasts, a MeeGo handset has yet to hit the streets. I've no doubt HTC have had a good look at both in the flesh though.

I wonder how Ari Jaaski must feel about the current predicament of webOS and MeeGo. He contributed to both and they're both high quality and both homeless.

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GWarner wrote:

the.weavster wrote:Android is cool, unfortunately with Google you've got the snooping/profiling issue.

Issue for who? So far I've not had any issues with Google. They can snoop all they want for whatever good it does them, I'm not doing anything I shouldn't be so I have nothing to hide and nothing to fear from snoops.

Why are you so negative about almost anything and everything anyone says or thinks? Maybe you should seek professional psychiatric help for your problem. Or are you just a troll looking to start an argument?

@GWarner: You don't have to be hiding anything to have a cause to fear a snoop. It is the snoop that is up to no good, not you. Simply put, Google seems to have a problem with respecting the privacy of individuals and wants to profit from selling access to what would be their private information. Example.


If your opinion of the.weavster is that he seems too paranoid, I'm sure his opinion of you would be that you seem too naive. The discussion has been fairly tame so far, there is no need to accuse people of being trolls and of needing psychiatric help just because you can't understand where they are coming from. If you can't understand their perspective simply say so.

Demivec wrote:If your opinion of the.weavster is that he seems too paranoid, I'm sure his opinion of you would be that you seem too naive.

You're right

the.weavster wrote:Windows 8 is supposed to be a universal OS, PCs, tablets and smart phones will all run the same OS,

Well, it seems it isn't going to be this way at all, this suggests applications wont even be cross-compatible between Windows 8 ARM tablets and Windows 8 x86 PCs: http://informationweek.com/news/windows ... /231601473

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GWarner wrote:Maybe it's my choice not to live my life in constant worry and paranoia over what other people know about me that makes it hard to understand why people would choose to live with all that worry, paranoia, and the stress they create.

I'm not worried, stressed or paranoid, I'd rather just avoid snoopers whenever possible. It's just a sensible precaution to reduce the risk of becoming a victim of fraud, much like shredding your mail before putting it in the rubbish. I also object on principle, I hope the EU's new e-privacy law will really clamp down on these activities.

I don't want to become a hermit but I can easily reduce the trail of information I leave by:
Using a search engine like DuckDuckGo
Using a browser like SRWare Iron (which is Google's Chromium with the snooping removed)

I'll have to do a bit of research when it's time to replace my mobile now though.

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GWarner wrote:Be careful what you wish for, if the EU keeps clamping down on what businesses can and can't do, many will decide to just stop doing business in the EU rather than put with the restrictions.

The EU market is plenty big enough that they wont decide any such thing, they'll take the hit and live with it just like M$ did.

GWarner wrote:

the.weavster wrote:I'm not worried, stressed or paranoid, I'd rather just avoid snoopers whenever possible. It's just a sensible precaution to reduce the risk of becoming a victim of fraud, much like shredding your mail before putting it in the rubbish. I also object on principle, I hope the EU's new e-privacy law will really clamp down on these activities.

You contradict yourself, that you go through all the things you do to "protect yourself" prooves that you are worried.
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I don't want to become a victim of fraud so I do take a few simple precautions like shedding anything I thow out that has what I consider sensitive information on it. I run my browser in a sandbox that gets emptied automatically when my system starts up and can also be emptied any time I want. So far it has been enough.

Oh I see, if I take simple precautions to protect my privacy I'm being contradictory and it's proof I'm worried. So what is it when you do it?

@the.weavster

GWarner wrote:I think we've derailed this thread far enough, if you want to continue this discussion, I think it would be best to start a new thread or use PM.