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RJP Computing · Post by **RJP Computing** » Sun Jan 23, 2005 4:28 am

Why is the solution another browser? Why not make it work for the most popular browser (Internet Explorer) and all the others? Sorry I know how stupid everybody is for using it but the fact remains that it is by far the market leader in browsers. When somebody says they have a problem with Windows you don't tell them to get a different operating system. You try and fix the root of the problem. Right? I use FireFox too, but this popup thing must be addressed.

PB · Post by PB » Sun Jan 23, 2005 7:09 am

> When somebody says they have a problem with Windows you don't tell
> them to get a different operating system.

You'd be surprised by how many times I've seen people advising others to
drop Windows for Linux... VERY surprised.

thefool · Post by **thefool** » Sun Jan 23, 2005 10:13 am

you say its the most popular browser... Well it is for newbies but i know more and more power/pro users using firefox instead.. [and no its not much harder to use. I installed it at my 11 year old little brothers computer and he uses it just fine..]

Forest Dreams · Post by **Forest Dreams** » Sun Jan 23, 2005 10:29 am

you say its the most popular browser...

Browser statistics are not really measurable with any degree of accuracy. Opera, Firefox and Mozilla, by default identify themselves as "IE" when browsing a site. This gives IE a lot of false ratings in any statistic collecting.

With AOL planning to take IE out of their browser and likely doing this for CompuServe, WalMart Connect, Netscape (all AOL derivitaves), the amount of IE users will drop by double-digit millions. AOL alone has over 23 million subscribers, CompuServe has over 3 million subscribers, WM Connect has over a million subscribers, all of these will quit using IE very soon. Netscape has over a million subscribers, but they are already NOT using IE.

dmoc · Post by **dmoc** » Sun Jan 23, 2005 12:57 pm

Don't forget also that some sites won't serve unless they see IE as the browser so users fiddle with the user agent setting. Hence it's now impossible/difficult to trust browser stats. I've been using Firefox exclusively for over a year now.

freedimension · Post by **freedimension** » Sun Jan 23, 2005 1:24 pm

Forest Dreams wrote: Browser statistics are not really measurable with any degree of accuracy. Opera, Firefox and Mozilla, by default identify themselves as "IE" when browsing a site. This gives IE a lot of false ratings in any statistic collecting.

Take a look at the HTTP-Header of for example Opera in IE-Mode.

UserAgent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; de) Opera 8.00

In Comparison IE:
UserAgent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1; .NET CLR 1.1.4322)

You can test this easily for yourself: http://www.ericgiguere.com/tools/http-h ... iewer.html

plouf · Post by **plouf** » Sun Jan 23, 2005 1:30 pm

Forest Dreams wrote:Browser statistics are not really measurable with any degree of accuracy. Opera, Firefox and Mozilla, by default identify themselves as "IE" when browsing a site. This gives IE a lot of false ratings in any statistic collecting

Only Opera

Mozilla and firefox identify as themselfs

Mozilla 1.7.2:
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; el-GR; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040803

Firefox 1.0 :
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; el-GR; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041108 Firefox/1.0

RJP Computing · Post by **RJP Computing** » Mon Jan 24, 2005 4:26 am

Well you guys are talking about this so I will respond.

These are facts:
- Internet Explorer is the most used browser. (I am sure that noone is denying this)
- FireFox is growing in popularity
- I use FireFox

Internet Explorer is so popular that there is no disputing that it is the most widly used. So even if the browsers are identifing themselves wrong it wouldn't matter. That is how much of a lead Internet Explorer has in the browser race.

Just thought that we would all want to have the most useful resource that it could be.

PS. The forum does seem fixed.

Forest Dreams · Post by **Forest Dreams** » Mon Jan 24, 2005 4:29 am

Internet Explorer is the most used browser. (I am sure that noone is denying this)

No disputing that. Ever since AOL integrated Internet Exploder into their browser many years ago, IE unseated Netscrape as the most popular browser almost overnight.

MadMax · Post by **MadMax** » Mon Jan 24, 2005 2:11 pm

I use mozilla, so I haven't noticed anything.

I wouldn't mind paying for Linux, seems a far better OS than Windows to me, of course it's difficult to find comercial aplications for Linux, but once the user base widens...