Berikco, any word on the new Visual Designer ?

whiteside · Post by **whiteside** » Wed Sep 22, 2004 10:21 am

I find that the PureVision Visual designer by Reel Media Productions is a great alternative. Since I bought it months ago I have not even looked at the standard Visual Designer.

and at only $25.00 was great value.

Why not give it a try.

http://www.reelmedia.org/purevision/

LarsG · Post by **LarsG** » Wed Sep 22, 2004 10:25 am

PureVision is not an option due to its licence regarding the source code generated... Not being able to share the source is, to me, unacceptable..

Post by **Dare2** » Wed Sep 22, 2004 10:36 am

I wonder what the pros and cons are of making the latest versions of the PB Editor and Visual Designer open source.

Perhaps if the products/projects were co-ordinated or controlled by Freak (instead of him doing it all himself) - or someone like him - it might work.

whiteside · Post by **whiteside** » Wed Sep 22, 2004 10:43 am

That is definately a good reason for some people not to use it.

However for those of us that just want a good set of tools to develop commercial / custom software I believe that PureVision is an attratrive alternative with a lot more options and feature than the standard VD.

I still believe that it is worth a look by other developers.

Just my 5 cents (we dont have any denomination smaller in Australia).

Post by **freak** » Wed Sep 22, 2004 12:10 pm

Allright, here is what we'll do:

There is still that biiiig top secret project for me to finish (surprise, surprise

),
and then i will continue Berikco's work on the VD.

I can't give you any ETA though, because i don't know how much time i will
have to spend on it, but it will definately be faster than waiting for Berikco
to have more time

Dare2: The Editor has been open source for quite some time, and the only
people that really contributed were Danilo and myself...

Timo

Num3 · Post by **Num3** » Wed Sep 22, 2004 12:19 pm

freak wrote:Allright, here is what we'll do:

There is still that biiiig top secret project for me to finish (surprise, surprise ),
and then i will continue Berikco's work on the VD.

My toppp secret sources indicate you making the editor to work under linux...
(Just a wild guess, but you might slip some info... eheheh)

Paul · Post by **Paul** » Wed Sep 22, 2004 12:22 pm

LarsG wrote:PureVision is not an option due to its licence regarding the source code generated... Not being able to share the source is, to me, unacceptable..

This is were you would be wrong.
You can share the source code generated, it's just that some of it will not compile because it makes use of a special user library called PVGadgets that is only available to PureVision users. It is this library of custom procedures that is copyright and cannot be freely distributed. You get this library when you purchase PureVision.

Best to ask directly before posting incorrect information.

Post by **freak** » Wed Sep 22, 2004 5:44 pm

> (Just a wild guess, but you might slip some info... eheheh)

hehe, nice try, but you'll have to be a little more creative to get anything out of me

Only time (or some cash

) will tell...

USCode · Post by **USCode** » Wed Sep 22, 2004 6:13 pm

There is still that biiiig top secret project for me to finish (surprise, surprise ), and then i will continue Berikco's work on the VD.

This would be great, thanks Fr34k!
Let me guess, that top secret project is a fancy Grid gadget?!?!? Wishful thinking???

We could sure use one!

Dare2: The Editor has been open source for quite some time, and the only people that really contributed were Danilo and myself...

I contributed some code that was going to be used by the new version of VD by Berikco. This code makes the controlling of gadgets when the window is resized very easy and I think would be a nice contribution to VD. See this thread here for the code and exchange of ideas with Berikco: viewtopic.php?t=10218&highlight=

Thanks again Fr34k

Post by **Dare2** » Wed Sep 22, 2004 11:30 pm

Hi Freak,

I didn't know the editor was open source. I have seen the code of an earlier version (using earlier PB syntax) which was released as a proof of concept, but not the "living" source. Is that a special DL somewhere?

And more clues about this secret project, please!

BTW, PureVision is very good and well worth the cost. Also, not all code generated makes the special lib calls. Where it does these lines are easily replaced by your own calls to your own equivalent functions if you wish to release working source.

More BTW: The designer with the best potential is the HelloBasic designer. It needs some work on front end (gadgets supported and property consistency). It also generates some interesting code - if this was slightly more PB-ish and the front end handled more gadgetry then, IMO, it would leave everything for dead. One good thing about it is the ability to enter gadget-event associated code in a VB-like way.

tinman · Post by **tinman** » Wed Sep 22, 2004 11:35 pm

Dare2 wrote:Is that a special DL somewhere?

cvs.purebasic.com

Post by **Dare2** » Thu Sep 23, 2004 12:31 am

Thanks.

blueb · Post by **blueb** » Thu Sep 23, 2004 2:05 am

Dare2 wrote: More BTW: The designer with the best potential is the HelloBasic designer. It needs some work on front end (gadgets supported and property consistency). It also generates some interesting code - if this was slightly more PB-ish and the front end handled more gadgetry then, IMO, it would leave everything for dead. One good thing about it is the ability to enter gadget-event associated code in a VB-like way.

Dare2,

I use PBDev all the time and quite like it. It's a bargain.

Edwin supplies a conversion table in the help file to show you how to use the "usercontrol" to add controls that you might need.

I also hear he is working hard on a new version.

blueb

PB · Post by PB » Thu Sep 23, 2004 2:15 am

> The designer with the best potential is the HelloBasic designer

I don't know about this. IMO, it produces bloated code. I created a small
window with a single ButtonGadget, which, when clicked, sent "Hello" to the
debug output window. The source it generated? A massive 13.3k! And the
compiled exe was 19.5k in size. Looking at the source, it has procedures for
things like setting colors, removing props, enabling/disabling task hooks, etc.
All for just a ButtonGadget? 8O I am using the demo version though... does
anyone know if the full version produces all this extra code?

PS. Don't misunderstand me: I think it's a GREAT designer (feels/acts exactly
like Visual Basic) but I don't want to buy it if it means I have to keep stripping
all the extra (redundant?) code out of every source it creates.

Edwin Knoppert · Post by **Edwin Knoppert** » Thu Sep 23, 2004 8:36 am

The bloath is 'removed' if you create a serious app, not a simple one form app.

The bloath also makes it easy on several aspects otherwise need to be inserted manually.
If you simply don't care for other things than creeting a simple one window (poor) color app, then PBDev is no good.

PBDev takes several aspects into account which simply does require some overhead at first.
If you find 13K bloathed

then i expect you use PB for hobby?
So that would not be a serious comparison unless all PB users are hobbiest.

Bob,
All the PBSoft designers will be rewritten to a better visual design control with multiselect and much more..
(Within a few months that is)

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