Update to 4.0

BackupUser · Post by **BackupUser** » Wed Nov 06, 2002 1:31 pm

Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by tranquil.

Hello everybody, Hi Fred.

I bought PB since Version 2.30. After so much updates and seeing PB growing I would be ready to buy a new license Key as an Upgrade to 2.x. As a motivation to Fred and as a honor to his great work in the past.

What do others think?

Mike

Tranquilizer/ Secretly!
http://www.secretly.de
Registred PureBasic User
System: Windows 2000 Server, 512 MB Ram, GeForce4200 TI 128 MB DDR, Hercules Theater 6.1 DTS Sound

BackupUser · Post by **BackupUser** » Wed Nov 06, 2002 1:48 pm

Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by PB.

I agree -- I've always planned to pay again when I have the spare money.
It amazes me that PureBasic is so cheap in the first place. IMO, Fred
is ripping himself off.

PB - Registered PureBasic Coder

BackupUser · Post by **BackupUser** » Wed Nov 06, 2002 2:46 pm

Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by blueb.

Instead of giving Fred more money for PB...why not
place an advertisement in your local paper proclaiming
all of PureBasic's wonderful features. Then maybe Fred
would get a hundred more users?

blueb

BackupUser · Post by **BackupUser** » Wed Nov 06, 2002 3:03 pm

Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by fweil.

...,

Maybe both ideas are good. I would not consider to pay again a disaster because of the low price and high help Purebasic makes.

But what will help the most Fred for the future is to make a lot of licenses even if it is cheap. It would not help to multiply the license price by ten because we would not all have all the money to pay. But multiplying the number of licenses by ten will definitely work.

Advertise all ... this is the best thing for sure.

Francois Weil
14, rue Douer
F64100 Bayonne

BackupUser · Post by **BackupUser** » Wed Nov 06, 2002 4:05 pm

Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by MrVainSCL.

Yes, a good and nice idea to motivate Fred on this way and saying thanks for all his work his spent until now in this great and easy language! I think its one of the best feedback for a developer

With the money for a new upgrade license/key, Fred could save some money for his planed MAC

or to have again a nice holiday

Fred, keep on ya work!

PIII450, 256MB Ram, 80GB HD + 6,4 GB, RivaTNT, DirectX8.1, SB AWE64, Win2000 + all Updates...

greetz
MrVainSCL! aka Thorsten

BackupUser · Post by **BackupUser** » Wed Nov 06, 2002 5:59 pm

Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by Kale.

maybe if you guys have an website you maintain other than PB ones, just slip in a PB banner to the usual banner rotation

i'm definately gonna look into advertising through local papers/uni boards etc..., i just can't believe i missed out on PB for so long, i only heard about it, when someone accidently posted a small snippet about it on the DarkBasicPro forum, just before the admin quickly deleted it (yes that does say alot for DBPro

they are scared of PB!)

--Kale

New to PureBasic and falling in Love!

BackupUser · Post by **BackupUser** » Wed Nov 06, 2002 6:21 pm

Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by Franco.

One suggestion for the users living in Germany (or the german PureBasic distributor):

The BEST EVER computer magazine I ever read is "c't" from "Heise-Verlag".
Never found a better one - the magazines here in the US are somewhat shallow...
(it's soo expansive to have a subscription and send it to the westcoast...

)

Why you don't send tons of e-mails to them

Maybe they are willing to test PureBasic and spend at least 1 page for it.
They are capable to do a 'in depth' testing and evaluating.

The reputation of this magazine is very high, so their (hopefully) positive review would boost the user base (at least in Germany/Austria/Switzerland... ).

This would be a very good promotion for this language, don't you think

Have a nice day...

Franco

BackupUser · Post by **BackupUser** » Wed Nov 06, 2002 6:51 pm

Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by Franco.

@ all:

[start

]
I don't think that Fred is lacking of motivation, he has 4 BIG disadvantages:

He lives on earth, and a day has only 24h.
He has a live outside PureBasic.
He has to work for a living.
He has to sleep.

[end

]

I'm really happy how nice PureBasic has done in the last year.

And I think that increasing the user base would be more helpful in the long run, than change the 'update philosophy'.

Example (think of an update fee of $20):

100 actual user pay $20 update fee = $2000
100 new user pay the regular price = $5900
...
I can't imagine that hobby programmer like me, that make no money out of it, pay every 6 month or every year 20 bucks (or more) for new commands.
So one fine day they will stop updating.
...
50 actual user pay $20 update fee = $1000
1000 new user pay the regular price = $59000

In the long run new user are the best!

And as long Fantaisie Software is not as big as Microsoft there is enough room to grow.

Have a nice day...

Franco

BackupUser · Post by **BackupUser** » Wed Nov 06, 2002 9:17 pm

Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by Andre.

Maybe they are willing to test PureBasic and spend at least 1 page for it. They are capable to do a 'in depth' testing and valuating.

Yes, that would be a good idea. But that needs an always up-to-date demo version. Currently its 3.30...
And of course a good documentation, for high rates in the magazines (especially compared to newbies) its a MUST have. There should also be included some more well-documented examples in the PB releases.

A german magazine contacted me six (?) months ago and asked for publishing the demo version, but I don't know, if it has happened...

There is also a special note about Germany: here has Fred a official reseller (MasterCreating at http://www.purebasic.de) which should do the job. There is also available a boxed version, but I don't know if it has already reached the big computer-stores...

Regards
AndrÃ©

*** German PureBasic Support ***

BackupUser · Post by **BackupUser** » Thu Nov 07, 2002 1:39 am

Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by DemonHell.

I still can`t believe Fred works, codes PB and has a life . Has he invented a time machine or something ?

I was singing his praises to Bill Buck (from ThendicFrance, the Pegasos/MorphOS guys) saying they could do with someone like Fred to do a decent basic language for MorphOS.

BTW Fred, they`re doing good betatester deals at the moment..and a big plus is they run Mac-on-linux too

Anyway, I reckon PB is without doubt the best software I have ever bought, it`s worth every penny, hell, it`s even worth twice that !

BackupUser · Post by **BackupUser** » Thu Nov 07, 2002 7:54 am

Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by Danilo.

Franco wrote:
> Why you don't send tons of e-mails to them
> Maybe they are willing to test PureBasic and spend at least
> 1 page for it.
> They are capable to do a 'in depth' testing and evaluating.
>
> The reputation of this magazine is very high, so their (hopefully)
> positive review would boost the user base (at least in
> Germany/Austria/Switzerland... ).

You think the review would be positive ??

I dont think so at this time, sorry.

I have seen many reviews of many languages in magazines
(also "cÂ´t") and PB has too many basic things missing.
Doubles, quads, unlimited strings, DLL compiling makes
always PureBasic.DLL in compiler directory and much more..

The reviewers are in no way connected to this community
and they dont have the same feeling about PB that we have.
They just review a "thing" and write their opinions.
When they cant get something to work within a reasonable time
or the program crashes and they cant find a bug very fast,
the just can make a bad review (depends on the writer).

"Conclusion: PureBasic is OK for writing small tools in
a short time after you get used to the (sometimes weird)
syntax. But its more a toy to play with and cant be compared
to other professional languages like VB, Delphi, C/C++...
The lack of standard things like doubles limits the language
so much that you cant do professional development with it -
correct calculating with currency isnt possible with floats only.
Even simple strings are limited to 64k in size..."

Dont forget:
The reviewers dont learn PureBasic for 3 month to get used
to all things and use workarounds for missing things or bugs.

They just say what they have seen in a short time - reviews can be two fisted.

And dont forget the most important thing:
The PureBasic website says that PureBasic is for developing
multi-platform.
The reviewers want to compile the same code on Amiga, Linux
and Windows without changing much/any PB code.
This in mind, they cant do any advanced programming because
they cant use WinAPI.
Look at the forum: For nearly all advanced stuff WinAPI is needed.

> This would be a very good promotion for this language,
> don't you think

This could be a shot right in FredericÂ´s backside
if PB gets bad reviews now.

Some while ago i talked with Fred how we can spread
the word of PureBasic some more and we got some ideas.
But before that PB must grow a little bit more, IMHO...

Better wait some time for a very stable release where
more standard things are added.

Patience is the road to success...

cya,
...Danilo

(registered PureBasic user)

BackupUser · Post by **BackupUser** » Thu Nov 07, 2002 12:46 pm

Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by freak.

I totally agree with Danilo, and i want to add one important thing.

I've read a lot of reviews in c't and other Magazines, and a good documentation is very important to them.
I've seen a lot of good Software getting bad reviews, only, becourse their Documentation wasn't good enough.

Now look at PB's Docs, and tell me, if this would be a good idea!

Timo

BackupUser · Post by **BackupUser** » Thu Nov 07, 2002 3:09 pm

Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by Berikco.

True Danilo and Freak...

PB and docs need a lot of work before you can get a good review...

Regards,

Berikco

http://www.benny.zeb.be

BackupUser · Post by **BackupUser** » Fri Nov 08, 2002 6:07 am

Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by Danilo.

What do you want to change in the docs ??
Any special things in mind ??

I think the docs are OK, because its not a "learn basic in 21 days"-book,
but a reference.
References dont contain long texts that explain much..
..they just explain whats goin on with few words.

1 thing that is missing is "what IS the result".
Especially on Windows, every command should have
a small remark what the result is.

Example:

Code: Select all

Result = OpenWindow(...)
Result: - 0 if window-creation failed
        - the window-handle (hWnd) on success.

This is needed for _every_ command if you want
to mix with API.
I think on Amiga and Linux the results are different.
(not all handles)

Except that, i think the docs (as a reference) are OK now.

cya,
...Danilo

(registered PureBasic user)

BackupUser · Post by **BackupUser** » Fri Nov 08, 2002 7:46 am

Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by fweil.

Danilo,

As I will probably have some saved time days shortly, I will prepare something in the way you mentioned for docs. I suppose I will not have time to do all in both english / french but I will at least make a significant part and place it in a zip for sharing with CVS users before Fred decide to put it online.

May this help a bit, so I am not going to think about but doing it.

Is it ok ?

KRgrds

Francois Weil
14, rue Douer
F64100 Bayonne