Linspire

jack · Post by **jack** » Mon Jul 19, 2004 11:30 pm

http://www.linspire.com/RunLinspireFlash.php

or you can download here http://images.lindows.com/RunLinspireSo ... nspire.swf
rightclick then saveas
get the mp3 at http://images.lindows.com/RunLinspireSo ... reSong.mp3

KarLKoX · Post by **KarLKoX** » Tue Jul 20, 2004 12:00 am

If you want to use Linux, don't use Linspire : it is a bunch of patch to make a linux/windows distrib and all of their work doesn't profite to the opensource community : Michael Robertson is for me a arrivist and profite from the work of the opensource without offering their work like other companies do (redhat, mandrake, xandros ...).
You will find some real Linux distrib here.
Saying that you are free to use the distrib you want.

jack · Post by **jack** » Tue Jul 20, 2004 12:13 am

yes, you'r right, which would you choose: Suse or Mandrake ?

KarLKoX · Post by **KarLKoX** » Tue Jul 20, 2004 1:29 am

I personally prefer the Mandrake but Suse is also a good choice too.
The differences comes from :

* "proprietary" software : Suse offer Sax, a excellent set of tool but Mandrake have (for me) more choice and they are more often updated.
* Suse is slightly cpu/ram lesser consuming.

The choice is difficult but i think that Mandrake is the good choice when the user begin.

The Xandros is a good choice for desktop users (secretaries) or for migrating from windows to linux in companies.

kake26 · Post by **kake26** » Tue Jul 20, 2004 5:41 pm

one word SLACKWARE kthnxbye

KarLKoX · Post by **KarLKoX** » Tue Jul 20, 2004 6:49 pm

In fact, the slackware is another excellent distrib but i think it isn't the best one for beginners.
When the user estimate that he know enough about Linux then he can upgrade to such distrib (or to a Debian ^_^ )

LuCiFeR[SD] · Post by **LuCiFeR[SD]** » Tue Jul 20, 2004 7:09 pm

Debian is cool too. It is a bit of a bitch for a linux noob though

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GeoTrail · Post by **GeoTrail** » Tue Jul 20, 2004 8:21 pm

I tried it once and never again.
Have to pay for every little app, even antivirus.

merendo · Post by **merendo** » Tue Jul 20, 2004 9:37 pm

I run Mandrake 9.2 and came from Windoze. Well, after some time I would never fall back onto Win because Linux is just great!

Have to pay for every little app, even antivirus.

Under Linux, you don't need an antivirus as there are very few viruses for Linux and Linux is a much worse environment for viruses than Windows is. But if you want to do so: http://www.antivir.de/en/.

GeoTrail · Post by **GeoTrail** » Wed Jul 21, 2004 12:19 am

merendo wrote:Under Linux, you don't need an antivirus as there are very few viruses for Linux and Linux is a much worse environment for viruses than Windows is.

Not quite true is it?
I read in a survey that when comparing the number of attacks against 100 linux machines and 100 Windows machines, Linux machines are at the top of the list.

In kernel 2.4.23 there was found a security whole that was bigger then any other ever found in Windows. (Source: ITAvisen.no)

Last year, someone added a Trojan to the Debian CVS (Current Version Systems)-database. More details here.

The only reason I see from years of experience with Windows is that the anti-Windows users, who uses some form of Linux, post every negative thing they can find about Windows on forums and websites so the focus stays on "Windows being insecure". I have tried lots of different Linux distros, and useually it doesn't take long until the first bug appears. Even doing simple things like playing a movie or MP3 can get the thing to crash.

Last year, british govournemt found 3 serious faults in OpenSSL, which is the Linux variant of SSL security protocol.

Running a DoS attack against a Windows computer today with last updates is useless. But will crash most Linux distros.

Anyone remember the Slapper virus?

I can go on if anyone wants more

Sorry, I'm not against Linux in anyways, just too unstable for me as a usage-OS.

My machine is online 24/7. Only restart it after installing software that requires it to be restarted. Other than that, no problems. Not a single one. Well, maybe a few, but those were all due to crappy written 3rd party software.

thefool · Post by **thefool** » Wed Jul 21, 2004 9:38 am

hmmm but if you get a linux up and running, it will not shut down till you cut the power(or desides to shut down). But i agree, that with some linux dist's you can have it crash easly. But if you install a linux without all those apps, and without X, then you can have it running. But why not use x, and then tell them when an bug comes so they can fix it.?

merendo · Post by **merendo** » Wed Jul 21, 2004 11:31 am

I read in a survey that when comparing the number of attacks against 100 linux machines and 100 Windows machines, Linux machines are at the top of the list.

Well, these machines are servers and not desktop machines. And the attacks are no virus attacks, they are hacker attacks and due to the mostly unexperienced administrators of those machines, there are a lot of security holes. But when the administrator knows how to properly set up a linux server, it is very secure. On the desktop viruses are no problem...

Last year, someone added a Trojan to the Debian CVS (Current Version Systems)-database. More details here.

Such things happen to windows almost every day. Remember 'Iloveyou'. This virus could never have spread without windows. But to debian this happens once.

Sorry, I'm not against Linux in anyways, just too unstable for me as a usage-OS.

And I am not against Windows. But if Microsoft wants me to use it, it must not create a new version almost every two-three years. Since 1991 (if I remember well) to 2001 MS released: Win 3.1; Win95; WinNT; Win98; WinME; Win2000; Win98SE; WinXP. And soon WinLonghorn. Sorry, but MS should stop and develop ONE product further. I am not willing to pay for every new windows that comes out.

What Linux did you use? My Linux didn't crash since I've been running it.

thefool · Post by **thefool** » Wed Jul 21, 2004 11:42 am

my linux hasn't crashed either, but i have had a little trouble with a gui app in gnome. But i use KDE now.

Last year, someone added a Trojan to the Debian CVS (Current Version Systems)-database. More details here.

as merendo says, windows has new viruses every day.

GeoTrail · Post by **GeoTrail** » Wed Jul 21, 2004 12:20 pm

Yes, and who makes viruses for Windows?
Linux users !!

I've tried almost every Linux distro there is, including the latest Mandrake 10. First thing I do when trying a lonux distro is to open up the media player called xplay or something, start a video and watch it crash after sometime. And that program comes with just about every version of Linux for the desktop user.

And, Linux is like Windows, it is the 3rd party applications that makes them unstable and crash. Install Windows XP or 2003 Server on a machine and run it and see if you can get it to crash without installing external apps and unsigned drivers.

thefool · Post by **thefool** » Wed Jul 21, 2004 12:36 pm

Yes, and who makes viruses for Windows?
Linux users !!

what is that for a stupid argument?
i will attempt to ignore it. Just because linux users mostly are good programmers, they dont make viruses. but again, i will ignore it

First thing I do when trying a lonux distro is to open up the media player called xplay or something, start a video and watch it crash after sometime.

yes maybe, but my windows media player also crashes, and it dosent crash just the app as in linux, but takes my whole explorer.exe down.!