kinda weird question

localmotion34 · Post by **localmotion34** » Tue Jun 29, 2004 2:05 am

ok localmotiom buys a DVD, has a wild party with some freinds, they all watch DVD. thats ok. local can even lend out DVD to a buddy. at the party, a hot chick reads his book on egyptian history. thats ok if local bought the book, local can even lend the book out without messing with copyright issues. an even hotter chick gets on his laptop, and fires up PB. thats ok because its his laptop right? if he lends out the laptop is it ok for the girl to use PB? its still ok as long as its not the actual install package itself? where is the line drawn with respect to copyright and ownership? my wife kinda wants to learn to program a bit, which would be on my laptop. ive got a license from my masters research, which apparently is still good through NIH rules until the original grant it was bought on expires. so with a licensed copy of PB, who and what can use it while using exclusive property of my own? and how about if when the grant expires, i buy a copy of PB with money from our checking account, which according to florida law is communal, and anything i buy is half hers, are we BOTH licensed to use it? the agreement doesnt say anything about spouses and communal property, nor use of shared personal property according to spousal joint ownership. the big problem is, if in any way i violate state law or civil agreements while on an NIH grant of federal money, and publish data, homeboy here can go to FEDERAL prison. yes, federal dont drop the soap prison. any ideas?

WolfgangS · Post by **WolfgangS** » Tue Jun 29, 2004 1:33 pm

bla bla bla

8O Ask an attorney ? 8O

localmotion34 · Post by **localmotion34** » Tue Jun 29, 2004 2:28 pm

ask an attorney? i thought fred and freak and them made PB didnt they? up to a point the license agreement is determined by them as long as it doesnt interfere with federal or state law. i dont think you understand. when you are dealing with NIH federal money, all your ducks have to be in a row, otherwise you really can get into trouble.

Post by **Dare2** » Tue Jun 29, 2004 3:07 pm

I think WolfgangS is right, in as much as nobody on these boards, other than Fred, could clarify this.

If we all advise you and get it wrong, are we conspiritors, or accessories before/after the fact?

Do we end up guarding your back when you drop the soap, and vice-versa? 8O

So talk to Fred via PM or email, or ask an attorney.

[EDIT]

Come to think of it, just ask an legal beagle.

What would anyone in the rest of the world know about some obscure (to them) legalities in the US? And whatever Fred may wish to do that is good and right for you, he can't change the legislation.

localmotion34 · Post by **localmotion34** » Tue Jun 29, 2004 5:09 pm

i think im not being clear. eventually the grant PB was originally bought on for me will run out. i am required to buy a new License by NIH. this time it will be with MY personal money, and installed on MY laptop. now the question is, if half the time my laptop goes to work with me, and half the time it goes to work with my wife, and we BOTH use PB while we have the laptop, is it violating the PB agreement? we do both own the laptop because its communal property, and the $$$ i use to buy it is half hers too. so can we both use it on the same owned/shared laptop at different times?

fweil · Post by **fweil** » Tue Jun 29, 2004 5:21 pm

I did not check what is on the license but by the way because you install PB on a given PC, the license is attached to this PC, being this a laptop that you bring with you.

And the fact that people close to you use your laptop does not change the PC on which the installation is.

As far as you don't copy the software on another machine (or you do this with editor's acknoledgement), you don't do wrong.

The only usual limitation made by most countries' law is when you transfer property of the PC to another person. Either you sell it or give it for free, software license is considered as not transferable except if you have a specific agreement.

Another exception is usually recognized as 'correct', which is when you transfer all the software you are licensed to use on a new machine. In this case it is not considered as bas. But you should in this case notify editors that you are changing. By the wya, most of the time, editors prefer not to be notified on what your are doing because they can't support such details.

But you should not worry about all of this and especially if you and people around you are using the same installation. This is not prohibited, no more than using the same TV or DVD player in your home for several people.

I guess you will find confirmation about this.

thefool · Post by **thefool** » Tue Jun 29, 2004 5:26 pm

by the way because you install PB on a given PC, the license is attached to this PC, being this a laptop that you bring with you.

Isnt that the opposite of what the PB license says?

I thought it was the person who bought PB that has the license. Then you can install it on all YOUR computers.
I belive i got that explained once.

thefool · Post by **thefool** » Tue Jun 29, 2004 5:29 pm

Yes i am right. Found this on the purebasic.com faq section:

The PureBasic licence is an user-based licence, which means you can install your full version on all of your computers without the need to buy another licence for each. PureBasic currently runs on three different operating systems (Windows, Linux and AmigaOS) and a single licence cover them all. Even if PureBasic is ported to other OSes (OpenBSD, MacOS X..) you will have free access to them.

Notice the "you can install your full version on all of your computers"

GedB · Post by **GedB** » Tue Jun 29, 2004 5:35 pm

localmotion34,

Considering the legal importance you best bet is to describe you specific information and send an email to Fred requesting his permission.

He will either grant it or refuse it without ambiguity and your ducks are lined up nicely.

fweil · Post by **fweil** » Tue Jun 29, 2004 5:55 pm

thefool,

The text you quoted is just an extension of user's rights to copy PB everywhere he / she has machine he / she owns.

Nothing else, and nothing that limitates the use you can do between home and work.

Rgrds

NoahPhense · Post by **NoahPhense** » Tue Jun 29, 2004 6:34 pm

Bah.. just buy a license for yourself and your wife. I'm fixing to buy
another license here soon, just because Fred, Timo, Benny, and the
rest of the gang kick so much as$...

- np

MadMax · Post by **MadMax** » Tue Jun 29, 2004 6:58 pm

WOW!

which according to florida law is communal, and anything i buy is half hers, are we BOTH licensed to use it? the agreement doesnt say anything about spouses and communal property, nor use of shared personal property according to spousal joint ownership. the big problem is, if in any way i violate state law or civil agreements while on an NIH grant of federal money, and publish data, homeboy here can go to FEDERAL prison. yes, federal dont drop the soap prison. any ideas?

In the light of things, my advice is... Get a divorce.

thefool · Post by **thefool** » Tue Jun 29, 2004 7:02 pm

NoahPhense · Post by **NoahPhense** » Tue Jun 29, 2004 7:20 pm

localmotion34 wrote:the big problem is, if in any way i violate state law or civil agreements while on an NIH grant of federal money, and publish data, homeboy here can go to FEDERAL prison. yes, federal dont drop the soap prison. any ideas?

Ha. Club Fed. Say Hi to bubba for me..

- np

localmotion34 · Post by **localmotion34** » Tue Jun 29, 2004 9:36 pm

ha ha ha.

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