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[blueb]

Micro$oft have a different pricing policy for Asian / third word countries , like india, vietnam, Thailand, Philippine, malaysia, , indonesia, sirilanka, japan,singapore and so on...

the average monthly income for the people there maybe less than 100~200€ ,
a 79€ maybe difficult for them to save up for many years, they will look for alternative is couldn't afford.

some company (eg. Google/micro$oft ...) and the local government has a project call "100usd PC for every student" in the Asian/African countries there.
even a regular computer is not expansive made in TAIWAN or CHINA.
they could save up for hardware once a time , but couldn't save for many software together, imagine : MS office license , Windows 10 license , photoshop license , antivirus license , zip/rar license , autocad license , pdf writer license , .... and many more ... this is much much higher that the hardware cost.

To maintain profitability, selling PureBasic to some people for less, Fred must charge others more. (the very definition of Socialism)
Entitlement... You want something, but you don't want to pay for it.

I have written many, many useful programs using less than 800 lines of code. By the time I was capable of writing 800 lines, I knew if I would like PureBasic or not.

Hope that helps you make you decision.

[jacdelad]

some company (eg. Google/micro$oft ...) and the local government has a project call "100usd PC for every student" in the Asian/African countries there.
even a regular computer is not expansive made in TAIWAN or CHINA.
they could save up for hardware once a time , but couldn't save for many software together, imagine : MS office license , Windows 10 license , photoshop license , antivirus license , zip/rar license , autocad license , pdf writer license , .... and many more ... this is much much higher that the hardware cost.

I hope you are aware how big all these companies you are citing here are...

[Quin]

I have written many, many useful programs using less than 800 lines of code. By the time I was capable of writing 800 lines, I knew if I would like PureBasic or not.

Yes, exactly this. It took me a while to get to a point where I was writing 800 line programs in PB, and by that point I knew I liked it.

[moricode]

And if you really look at the price, even the full version is basically free: 79€ is about a few packs of mac'n'cheese or cereals, but the product contains years of development and less chemicals.

Micro$oft have a different pricing policy for Asian / third word countries , like india, vietnam, Thailand, Philippine, malaysia, , indonesia, sirilanka, japan,singapore and so on...

the average monthly income for the people there maybe less than 100~200€ ,
a 79€ maybe difficult for them to save up for many years, they will look for alternative is couldn't afford.

I don't understand your point?
You want pricing like Japan or Sri Lanka?
Ultimately, this is a Fred question. Maybe you should try private message?

i mean , Fred could come up with a marketing team , and target the whole world , like Micro$oft or Antivirus company , do it big , do it grand , do it over the planet , team up , make it a big business , lead the industries , like what Borland delphi do at last 2 decades .

we happy to see that , a great PureBasic branding programing product .

am i dreaming ?

That isn't just a marketing problem, it's not that simple. Legally selling software world wide is very difficult, you cannot do this as a small company all on yourselves. There are import/export control laws, tax laws, privacy laws, ..., special tax treaties and many of them change every year, so you have to pay professionals for doing it for you or keeping you up to date at least.

One example of how complicated it can be: if you sell software over standard software portals such as Google Play, iTunes, ..., you are forced to comply to the US export control laws, even if you don't sell in the US, because software is uploaded on US servers and if it is being downloaded from outside it is a re export. And as soon as you (dynamically/statically) link to libraries containing encryption algorithms you're required to register an EAR and in some cases create annual reports for the NSA. Until like 5 years ago or so you also had to do this if you just made some HTTPS requests, but that changed a bit. However that also holds for foreigners selling in their own countries. And France has similar laws if I remember correctly.

Besides this you'd need to prevent fraudulent purchases, like when people buy it for 10€ in Asia and resell it in Europe for 100€, so you need some kind of DRM protection and location identification of the customers.

If like so , purebasic will remain the same situation forever , not going anywhere , just a few people using it and happy with it.
That's all , life is tough , cruel and brutal truths .

Even the pelle's C compiler author aware of this , and give it away for free use a very good C compiler. it is written by one man's show.

[Marc56us]

If like so , purebasic will remain the same situation forever , not going anywhere , just a few people using it and happy with it.

The Mexican Fisherman Story by Heinrich Boll

For the price of PB by country: There are lots of free compilers including for Windows and even Basics (i.e: FreeBasic, QB64 etc).

PS. Please don't quote dozens of lines just to add two or three. Think of those who read the forums on a smartphone.

[moricode]

The Mexican Fisherman Story by Heinrich Boll

For the price of PB by country: There are lots of free compilers including for Windows and even Basics (i.e: FreeBasic, QB64 etc).

PS. Please don't quote dozens of lines just to add two or three. Think of those who read the forums on a smartphone.

yes , and the Fisherman a.k.a Fred was enjoying the retirement life happily , but those who depending on the Fisherman , was yelling for the 'Feature Requests and Wishlists' and performance and bug fix and dreaming of it. but with no much hope of it.

in this case , you suggested there is many free 'Basic' compilers , what is the point to Use/promote Purebasic when the Fisherman not promote it ?

[DarkDragon]

Lol as if you'd be able to live from such a product offered for 79€ in France at all. That's the reason software developers earn not so much anymore. People want everything for free and don't see the work and efforts behind software anymore. I know mechanics who get more than average software engineers. In former times that wouldn't have been possible. But I don't blame them, it's the bosses and customers who don't see the knowledge you need.

[Marc56us]

what is the point to Use/promote Purebasic

Use ? Because it's easy, fast and stable (which is not always the case with other products, even very expensive ones).
Promote ? But no one's asking you to promote it.
And if you knew how difficult it is to set up and run a business in france, I understand why Fred doesn't want to do it (and he's right).
When you hire someone in france, you have to pay 45% tax on top of the salary. If work decreases and you have to lay someone off, you have to pay him 2 to 6 months' salary (plus taxes and length of service and ...) and you can't rehire for 6 months (economic layoff), etc. And I'm not even talking about the mountain of paperwork to be completed before, during and after.

[moricode]

The Mexican Fisherman Story by Heinrich Boll

For the price of PB by country: There are lots of free compilers including for Windows and even Basics (i.e: FreeBasic, QB64 etc).

PS. Please don't quote dozens of lines just to add two or three. Think of those who read the forums on a smartphone.

yes , and the Fisherman a.k.a Fred was enjoying the retirement life happily

Lol as if you'd be able to live from such a product offered for 79€ in France at all. That's the reason software developers earn not so much anymore. People want everything for free and don't see the work and efforts behind software anymore. I know mechanics who get more than average software engineers. In former times that wouldn't have been possible. But I don't blame them, it's the bosses and customers who don't see the knowledge you need.

The retirement Fisherman story was brought up by Marc56us .

as said , if income not enough for living , then has to promote the product in someway , isn't it ?

[moricode]

what is the point to Use/promote Purebasic

Use ? Because it's easy, fast and stable (which is not always the case with other products, even very expensive ones).
Promote ? But no one's asking you to promote it.
And if you knew how difficult it is to set up and run a business in france, I understand why Fred doesn't want to do it (and he's right).
When you hire someone in france, you have to pay 45% tax on top of the salary. If work decreases and you have to lay someone off, you have to pay him 2 to 6 months' salary (plus taxes and length of service and ...) and you can't rehire for 6 months (economic layoff), etc. And I'm not even talking about the mountain of paperwork to be completed before, during and after.

Use ? Because it's easy, fast and stable (which is not always the case with other products, even very expensive ones).
good point , this indicate that this is a good product.

Promote ? But no one's asking you to promote it.
a good product like you said , if the founder not promoting it and the user/volunteer not promoting it , it will gone in the air soon or later. any hope ?


And if you knew how difficult it is to set up and run a business in france, I understand why Fred doesn't want to do it (and he's right).
When you hire someone in france, you have to pay 45% tax on top of the salary. If work decreases and you have to lay someone off, you have to pay him 2 to 6 months' salary (plus taxes and length of service and ...) and you can't rehire for 6 months (economic layoff), etc. And I'm not even talking about the mountain of paperwork to be completed before, during and after.

if so in france , i would imaging the the business and industries in france is not competitive.

[Marc56us]

a good product like you said , if the founder not promoting it and the user/volunteer not promoting it , it will gone in the air soon or later. any hope ?

First public version: 22 October 2000
Still here

[AZJIO]

PS. Please don't quote dozens of lines just to add two or three. Think of those who read the forums on a smartphone.

In their case, it is enough to simply write a text without quoting, if his post is immediately under the post of the person who is being answered. It seems to him that it's fun to fill the forum with garbage, the databases will hold up.

[DarkDragon]

PS. Please don't quote dozens of lines just to add two or three. Think of those who read the forums on a smartphone.

In their case, it is enough to simply write a text without quoting, if his post is immediately under the post of the person who is being answered. It seems to him that it's fun to fill the forum with garbage, the databases will hold up.

No, you get a notification when you're mentioned and the quote button is easier. I'm on my smartphone and have no problems as quotes are displayed differently. Manually cutting the inner quotes out is much more difficult on a smartphone. Report a change request at phpBB to be able to specify maximum quote depth and perform automatic stripping, please.

The economy inside the European Union isn't as good as people think it is. Software industry in Germany is basically non existent. We have one world wide known market leader and that's SAP, nothing more. If you're an employed software engineer here you get 50% of what you'd get 5km further south in Switzerland (not EU) and you still have to pay 50% of that in taxes.

[AZJIO]

It's not difficult to do this even on a phone
https://youtu.be/cqBgLVQ2s5o

[DarkDragon]

It's not difficult to do this even on a phone
https://youtu.be/cqBgLVQ2s5o

See? I didn't get notified and in your video you also sit there precisely targeting the positions and the second time you miss one bracket. Scrolling down until there's no wide dark area takes less time. However, my point is: phpBB could do it by itself. But I'll try to not quote so much anymore.