Fred, please CanvasGadget() and surface with alpha support

[kernadec]

hello Fred it seems to me that it would be time to have with CanvasGadget the Point(x,y) function
which could return us a color in RGBA
best regard

[STARGÅTE]

The canvas gadget is a 24 bit image and has no alpha channel itself.
Therefor Point() returns only 24 bit.
If you use a 32 bit image, Point also returns 32 bit.

[kernadec]

Hi, Stargate ok thank you,
but the canvas is a drawing surface where you can use transparency but you can't recover color from fades to transparency
so why stay in 24 bits i think it's time now that the machines are more advanced with giga of ram so why not CanvasGadget
best regard

[Demivec]

Hi, Stargate ok thank you,
but the canvas is a drawing surface where you can use transparency but you can't recover color from fades to transparency
so why stay in 24 bits i think it's time now that the machines are more advanced with giga of ram so why not CanvasGadget

Since you are in favor of more processing and memory use over speed, you can draw things to a 32 bit image and then copy this image to the canvas. You can then use any interactions on the canvas to determine the coordinates to examine for transparency information on the source image.

[kernadec]

hi, Demivec thank you, ok there is ImageGadget() to do that thank you. but like CanvasGadget()
is designed for drawing, I don't see why it should stay 24 bit
while we now have 64-bit processors and all images have
at least 32 bit why stay with canvasGadget in 24 bit
Best Regard

[STARGÅTE]

hi, Demivec thank you, ok there is ImageGadget() to do that thank you. but like CanvasGadget()
is designed for drawing, I don't see why it should stay 24 bit
while we now have 64-bit processors and all images have
at least 32 bit why stay with canvasGadget in 24 bit
Best Regard

Maybe I misunderstand your comment, but why you think, "all images have at least 32 bit", and what has it to do with the processor word size of 64 bit, nowadays? Do we talk about storage size or color depth?
Yes of course, you can store a color in a Long (32 bit) or Quad (64 bit) integer field, but this doesn't change the fact that the canvas drawing area has no alpha channel and contains only opaque colors (RGB, color depth 24 bit). There is no alpha information in the canvas gadget.

Ok, now you can say, Point() could return here always 255 for alpha channel, if the drawing context is opaque, to be consistent with 32 bit images, where an opaque color has an alpha of 255.

[kernadec]

hi, why so much discussion around a request as simple as this one.
To sum up,
Fred should give us the alpha channel for CanvasGadget()
all is said
Best Regard

[Caronte3D]

The way I see it...
I Think about CanvasGadget as if it were a reallife canvas, where you pain with watercolors, the more water you use, the more transparent your stroke will be, but once the canvas is finished it has no information on how much water you have used, you will only see the result color of merge the color and water.

In CanvasGadget you can draw (or paste images) with their alpha channel and the result in CanvasGadget will be correct as mix, but you can't expect to get a unique alpha value, because the image you see is the mixture of the colors and their alpha channels.

Could Fred implement some alpha channel where you draw, add subtract... ? Possibly, but IMHO I can't see the utility

[STARGÅTE]

Fred should give us the alpha channel for CanvasGadget()
all is said

Sorry to interact again.
But if your feature request is to add an alpha channel to the CanvasGadget()
(in the sense of making the CanvasGadget() translucent),
then why didn't you request this in your first post and in the title?
Perhaps you can change your topic title for clarity.

[kernadec]

hi, I am an idiot.
and I do not master the English language.
Best Regard

[kernadec]

hi, @Caronte3D
the usefulness of alpha when drawing with alpha objects overlaid
on the canvas you will have colors whose alpha value you cannot get with the point(xy) command
and that's annoying because any drawing software does this perfectly
Best Regard

[kernadec]

hi, here is an alpha test
in 24bit we obtain a color close truncated
Best Regard

Code: Select all

If OpenWindow(0, 0, 0, 300,300, "Test Canvas RGBA (alpha in 24bit)", #PB_Window_SystemMenu | #PB_Window_ScreenCentered)
  c.i = 0 
  c1.i = 0
    
  b1.i = RGBA(Random(255),Random(105), 0, 100)
  b2.i = RGBA(0, Random(255), Random(105), 100)
  
  CanvasGadget(0, 10, 10, 280, 280, #PB_Canvas_Container)
  
  If StartDrawing(CanvasOutput(0))
    DrawingMode(#PB_2DDrawing_AlphaBlend)
    Box(30, 50, 150, 150 ,b1)
    Box(100, 120, 150, 150 ,b2)
    
    DrawingMode(#PB_2DDrawing_AllChannels) 
    c = Point(120,140)
       
    DrawText(10, 10, Str(b1),RGBA(255,255,255,255),b1)
    DrawText(100, 10, Str(b2),RGBA(255,255,255,255),b2)
    DrawText(190, 10, Str(c),RGBA(255,255,255,255),c)

    Box(130, 145, 5, 5 ,c)
    
    StopDrawing()
  EndIf
  
   ;######################################################### 
  If OpenWindow(1, WindowX(0) + 330,WindowY(0) , 300,300, "Test ImageGadget 32bit", #PB_Window_SystemMenu)
    
    If CreateImage(1,280, 280 ,32,#PB_Image_Transparent)
      StartDrawing(ImageOutput(1))
      DrawingMode(#PB_2DDrawing_AlphaBlend)
      Box(30, 50, 150, 150 ,b1)
      Box(100, 120, 150, 150 ,b2)
      
      DrawingMode(#PB_2DDrawing_AllChannels) 
      c1 = Point(130,140)
      
      DrawText(10, 10, Str(b1),RGBA(255,255,255,255),b1)
      DrawText(100, 10, Str(b2),RGBA(255,255,255,255),b2)
      DrawText(190, 10, Str(c1),RGBA(255,255,255,255),c1)
      StopDrawing()
    
      ImageGadget(1, 10, 10, 280, 280, ImageID(1))
    EndIf
  EndIf
  
  
  Repeat  
    Event = WaitWindowEvent()          
    If Event = #PB_Event_Gadget
      
      Select EventGadget() 
        Case 0
          If EventType() = #PB_EventType_LeftButtonDown Or (EventType() = #PB_EventType_MouseMove And GetGadgetAttribute(0, #PB_Canvas_Buttons) & #PB_Canvas_LeftButton)
            If StartDrawing(CanvasOutput(0))
              x = GetGadgetAttribute(0, #PB_Canvas_MouseX)
              y = GetGadgetAttribute(0, #PB_Canvas_MouseY)
              c = Point(x,y)
              DrawText(10, 20, Space(20),#White,#White)
              DrawText(10, 20, Str(c),#White,c)
              StopDrawing()
            EndIf
          EndIf
          
      EndSelect
    EndIf
    
  Until Event = #PB_Event_CloseWindow
EndIf

[Caronte3D]

I don't know what you mean. If I use a color picker, the obtained color is the same your code shows

[kernadec]

hi, @Caronte3D
updated previous code to compare colors with imageGadget()
best Regard

[kernadec]

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