Amiga OS4.0 on AmigaOne

Post by **Fred** » Fri May 07, 2004 10:23 am

Interresting

Flype · Post by **Flype** » Fri May 07, 2004 8:25 pm

yes owning an Amiga has always and will forever be for the deep pocketed.

In 1989, i was a child without money...
PC Computer's were too expansive for my parents.
I was desperate to got a computer one day.
but later a friend shown me AnotherWorld on the Amiga500.
One month later, when i was in holiday, i worked in a shop and earnt my first money.
2 weeks of work and i had by myself my own amiga !

So, not agree when saying amiga has always be for the deep pocketed !

And today, what about the cost of an Apple PowerG4 ?
AmigaOne prices will be between PC and Apple

Apple prices : http://store.apple.com/

Doobrey · Post by **Doobrey** » Sat May 08, 2004 12:27 am

Flype wrote: And today, what about the cost of an Apple PowerG4 ?
AmigaOne prices will be between PC and Apple

Have a look at Eyetechs site http://www.eyetech.co.uk/search.php?Sea ... chCat=AMA1

The cheapest AmigaOne system (without monitor) they do is Â£899/€1350, and that`s only an 800Mhz G3, while the 800Mhz G4 is Â£950/€1425.

The other day I was seriously looking at changing to a Mac ( if only a certain programmer would hurry up porting a certain programming language

), and found I could get a 1Ghz G4 iBook for Â£850/€1275 , a 1Ghz G4 eMac for Â£600/€900, or a 1.25Ghz Power G4 system for Â£1000/€1500

Hopefully the Micro A1 or whatever its called will be cheaper when done in a proper production run, as they were around Â£400/€600 for the motherboard/cpu bundle when they did a small batch for developers.

Inner · Post by **Inner** » Sat May 08, 2004 2:18 am

Flype @ yep, well in 1989 that was in the Amiga "hay day", when Amiga was very popular, I picked up a second hand Amiga 500 1.3 for Â£100, but if you wanted to do anything serious with Amigas you needed to shell out money.

Today, the price you pay for single Amiga component like a PPC card for example, equates to ruffly an entire AMD/Intel system, because it's such a small market now, tbh with you I don't see Amiga being here in 2020.

One thing clear for those Amiga Zealots out there, Amiga is very close to my heart and I love it dearly, but I am a realist, and realisticly Amiga doesn't have a future, at least it doesn't for the next 5 years or so, if in 5 years it's giving Macs a run for it's money then maybe it would be more realistic to get one, but I doubt this.

AmigaOne by the looks of it, is nothing more than a Linux with UAE over the top of it, correct me if I'm wrong here, but what is stopping anyone already doing this for *free* on any AMD/Intel based pcs today ?

Flype · Post by **Flype** » Sat May 08, 2004 3:12 am

i'm agree with all what you said...
but not with this :

AmigaOne by the looks of it, is nothing more than a Linux with UAE over the top of it, correct me if I'm wrong here, but what is stopping anyone already doing this for *free* on any AMD/Intel based pcs today ?

You're wrong. Read amiga OS 4.0 specifications...
Nobody tries to convince PC user to use AmigaOS.
Amiga is only for hobby, fun times, for nostalgy, for passion, and for specials guys... not for earning money

Doobrey · Post by **Doobrey** » Sat May 08, 2004 3:37 am

Inner wrote: AmigaOne by the looks of it, is nothing more than a Linux with UAE over the top of it, correct me if I'm wrong here, but what is stopping anyone already doing this for *free* on any AMD/Intel based pcs today ?

Nope Inner, you`re confusing it with Amithlon, which was basically UAE run on a very small linux distribution.
That was, until money stopped going towards the authors of Amithlon, and royalties from its sale never got paid to Amiga Inc, so you can`t get it anymore...
What is it about rip off merchants in the Amiga world? Are things this bad with Apple stuff?

Amiga OS4 is pretty much a rewrite of the old OS3.1 to run on a PPC, but it does have a "UAE like" 68k emulator to allow most old software to run on it.
But like you said, it`ll take years before there`s a decent range of PPC based software to run on it, and until then I don`t see much point in spending Â£900 on a machine that only has a handfull of new apps that can run on it.

Inner · Post by **Inner** » Sat May 08, 2004 4:27 am

Flype @ Ahh, I see in that case I take that back.

Doobrey @ yeah, the main problem with the company that runs Amiga right now is they seam to not want to thrive, anyone with half an brain cell would know that accessing SDK's for your OS is paramount and should be freely available, as far as I'm aware this sort of devinfo has to be paid for, which is down right sad.

Doobrey · Post by **Doobrey** » Sun May 09, 2004 12:23 am

Inner wrote: yeah, the main problem with the company that runs Amiga right now is they seam to not want to thrive

You mean Amiga Inc??
They sold the OS and all rights etc off last year, but didn`t announce it until a couple of months ago..

Since then the new owner KMOS has given one interview, then gone into stealth mode.

I didn`t mind paying for a developer CD, the sheer amount of information on there was well worth it, and the OS3.9 includes and autodocs were released on their site free of charge.

But I know what you mean about Amiga not being helpfull....
A couple of years ago, I converted all the OS3.9 includes and library fd`s to Blitz Basic. At the top of each original header was a copyright notice, so I thought I`d better do the right thing and ask Amiga Inc if it was OK for me to publish the BB2 conversion on my site, I got a very brief reply saying "No".
Anyone would think they didn`t want people to write software for their OS

Hi-Toro · Post by **Hi-Toro** » Sun May 09, 2004 6:45 pm

a 1Ghz G4 eMac for Â£600/â‚¬900

Actually, it's cheaper than that -- the eMac low-end machine now comes as standard with a 1.25GHz G4 and Radeon 9200 graphics for Â£549 -- including VAT and delivery. I know because I just bought one a couple of weeks ago directly from Apple (admittedly I added 256MB extra RAM, taking it up to Â£599).

The cost of the bare AmigaOne motherboards alone compared to the complete eMac is just ridiculous (I know there are good reasons for this, ie. low volume production, but that's not my problem). I don't get why they don't port AmigaOS 4 to new Macs (very limited range of hardware to support if you specify it's only for a standard issue machine) -- Yellow Dog Linux managed it.

Inner · Post by **Inner** » Mon May 10, 2004 1:10 am

Makes me annoyed that Commodore or rather Medi Ali (or however you pronouse the little brown f***ers name, by the way that is not a personal opinuion of my point of view, infact I think it's rather rasist, however for anyone that has watched the Death Bed Vigal they'll know what I'm on about), anyway.. it makes me annoyed that so much talent, so much of everything was wasted, if you want my point of view, the Amiga range should have stopped this moronic custom chip technolage, and re-designed there OS for the x86, Microsoft may not have existed at all had they of done that way back, there is nothing to say they couldn't have made addon boards to support older software in the future, but cashing in on the x86 back when it was just getting popular would have been a real good plan, maybe not liked very much by Amiga Zealots, but it would have been a wiser move, however this is pointless, history is history, and so is the Amiga saddly.

blueznl · Post by **blueznl** » Mon May 10, 2004 7:17 am

yeah, it looks like amigaos is just maintained for a few hobbyists, since it has been sold it has disappeared, the amiga name itself is being used for whatever someone's fancy comes up with, and hardware is unaffordable

to be honest, i think it's farewell...

if they could rewrite it to run on x86 machines with a VERY ROBUST (ie. unbreakable) security / memory model, and include a wmware like module, the owners of the OS might have a chance... what i unserstood is that it was purchased by k whatever to drive portable and embedded devices (due to a smaller footprint?) but nothing showed up...

buying the rights to amigaos unfortunately does not give you the right to use the term amiga for other purposes, so when k whatever goes out of business there's an os for grabs... then again, you could by beos as well...

only m$ and linuts appears all that is left...

Inner · Post by **Inner** » Mon May 10, 2004 10:52 am

Was talking to someone on IRC about linux and windows, and the only conclusion we can come up with is that in the end, Microsoft because of it's market dominance will in the end provale and linux will go the way of the Amiga, all Microsoft need do is release Windows for free, and that is it goodbye pork pie.

blueznl · Post by **blueznl** » Mon May 10, 2004 12:32 pm

fortunately, m$ is rather... money hungry... well, 'fortunately'

also, due to all the legal stuff they're dealing with lately they're artificially keeping the competition alive, i'm pretty sure the only reason apple still exists is silent sponsoring by microsoft... you really think m$ is making money on office for the mac? i doubt it...

so linux will be around, yeah, but marginally...

Doobrey · Post by **Doobrey** » Mon May 10, 2004 3:01 pm

blueznl wrote:you really think m$ is making money on office for the mac? i doubt it...

Who says they have to make a profit on it?
People use office on macs cos they need compatibility with files created/shared with Office on PCs, so even if they make a loss on the Mac side, they will profit from sales on the PC side.
Also, what matters to a big company like MS is market share and brand recognition. It`s not how much money they can make on each product, but what they can get overall.
Just look how much money the X-Box is sucking out of their profits..

Another thing springs to mind after thinking about the XBox. Recent rumours say that the next XBox will be PPC powered.
Maybe MS are gonna go PPC with Windows in the future?
Kinda makes sense to me.
Remember those rumours that Longhorn will need a 6Ghz dual core CPU. How much heat would one of those buggers produce?
Now look at how little power is used and how little heat is produced by a PPC chip, which CPU would make more sense for a home/office computer ?

blueznl · Post by **blueznl** » Mon May 10, 2004 3:10 pm

(shouldn't this be moved to offtopic stuff?

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