XP?

[GeoTrail]

Well actually I think it is.
One thing I think has pulled MS down somewhat is it's choice of partners.
And I don't think they have total control of their consilidated partners around the world.

As you probably know, alot of the partners around the world have access to different source according to their development categories and some of them misuse their trust.

But according to a new survey, Linux is attacked alot more then MS product users.

[Doobrey]

BTW did anyone else read a report that the latest build takes over 450Mb of ram without any apps running ???

Where did you hear that anyways?

Can`t remember the page, it was linked to from Slashdot a week or so ago. But like I said, it was a just a test build with debugger etc included.

[Doobrey]

But according to a new survey, Linux is attacked alot more then MS product users.

What type of attacks? Viruses directed at linux home users, or old unpatched servers with known exploits?

Ever noticed how most of the surveys that put Windows ahead of Linux are indirectly financed by MS?

BTW, did anyone else laugh when MS said that no known exploit against Windows was ever released by hackers until after MS had made a patch for it ?? :roll:

[Raven]

BTW did anyone else read a report that the latest build takes over 450Mb of ram without any apps running ???

Where did you hear that anyways?

Can`t remember the page, it was linked to from Slashdot a week or so ago. But like I said, it was a just a test build with debugger etc included.

Yeah cause Slashdot is simply the most viable source of information on the internet
Sorry, but i saw 2 weeks ago a thread on there about Half-Life 2 and Doom3 being the first ever games REQUIRING you to upgrade your PC to play.

But firstly I can remember a good number before now which have, and secondly both id software and valve software have mentioned thier products will be scalable to the point where even current low-end users
(ie anyone still using a Pentium3 + 2nd Generation Geforce/Radeon hardware) will be able to run their games fine.
Obviously you can't expect the same graphics but doesn't mean the companies are forcing you to upgrade.

It was a puff peice about how the hardware giants 'control' the software industry. Quite frankly the biggest load of bull i've read in my life from someone who no doubt is paranoid the government are reading his thoughts

Sorry but hardware developers don't make software developers want to use bettert technology... the weak software developers who want THIER game to look the best and just be totally graphically awesome will throw thousands into technology that quite frankly they don't need.
And slack on the processor requires simply because it saves a few days coding each section.

It's all a catch 22, gamers want better but don't want to wait or pay too much for them to be better but thats exactly what the developers do because they're panned by the public when they don't.
(and thus our piracy industry grows cause people aren't willing to pay for what they've demanded... kinda sick really)

And that's why you shouldn't trust everything you read on the internet hahaa

Longhorn actually uses an entirely new Kernel, so unlike Windows XP that is closely related to Windows 2000 ... this new kernel is really a complete rewrite from the ground up for stability, speed, etc...

New DirectX Driver/Multimedia System, New File System; So hopefully although it'll look like XP and have similar functionality it'll actually be the colmination of all of Microsoft's learnt lessons over the years.
For Windows users (which is really almost everyone here) this is actually nothing but good news that Microsoft were forced to take the time to sit down and completely redesign the product.

Should finally be able to compete better against the stable Unix/Irix not to mention AmigaOS which quite frankly should be what we all work from. Hehee

And i suppose *coughs*Linux*coughs* too. I still think Linux is a jumped up kiddie OS though.

[GeoTrail]

Well put Raven, well written to.
And I have to agree with you on your Linux comment at the end

[dmoc]

I still think Linux is a jumped up kiddie OS though

Laughingly he falls for the bait... so what would you call a "grown-up" OS? Feel free to be specific about inner workings and draw any concrete comparisons.

PS: Have you informed the likes of IBM, Novell, HP, MS (yes, even they are "learning" from Linux for Longhorn dev), etc, etc?

[blueznl]

longhorn being a new built os?

i sincerely doubt that

in fact, i suspect longhorn is going to be a sort of vmware environment where a beefed up xp runs on... left hand and right hand? pffff

but, why not? i think it's impossible to ever rewrite the whole of xp, or any windows in general, so anything that improves security is ok in my book

it's just that... well... i have my doubts if windows will ever be secure, probably only by breaking up all major compatibility

so creating this left hand / right hand thingy could work, as the one component should be impossible to touch, with the other component being constantly monitored...

it makes sense

but, as longhorn being 'completely new from the ground up'... no way

it just doesn't sound as sexy if you put it differently:

ms is never gonna see: we built something crappy, so now we implement a mother-in-law to keep our kid in line

[Doobrey]

Should finally be able to compete better against the stable Unix/Irix not to mention AmigaOS which quite frankly should be what we all work from. Hehee

As much as I love the Amiga OS, I wouldn`t call it stable. OS4 doesn`t even have any memory protection (AFAIK,It`s slated for a future update)
But even when it does get added, it`ll break tons of existing apps.

BTW, getting back to Windows Longhorn, have a look at
http://www.microsoft-watch.com/article2 ... 842,00.asp

My fav quote... ( take it with a pinch of salt)

Microsoft is expected to recommend that the "average" Longhorn PC feature a dual-core CPU running at 4 to 6GHz; a minimum of 2 gigs of RAM; up to a terabyte of storage; a 1 Gbit, built-in, Ethernet-wired port and an 802.11g wireless link; and a graphics processor that runs three times faster than those on the market today

8O 8O 8O 8O 8O

[Num3]

Hum...

Wonder when they will release it...

By those specs i would bet 2050

[Jan Vooijs]

release??? Next year or 2006

btw those specs are not so "high" if you are corporate!! The only bottleneck is the graphic proccessors!!

And the terra byte storage, and the memory and the two 6 ghz proccesser and the...

Jan

[NoahPhense]

Hum...

Wonder when they will release it...

By those specs i would bet 2050

I'll take one of these..

[64 cabinet configuration]
4096 processors
32TB Memory
52.4 TerraFlops

Processor
Cray Custom Design Vector CPU
16 vector floating-point operations/clock cycle
32- and 64bit IEEE arithmetic
keep in mind, there are 4096 of these... lol

The speed of the memory is 204GB per second!!! per node

http://www.cray.com/products/systems/x1 ... dfonly.pdf

- np

woohoo, then i'd load windows 3.1 on the b1tch..

[Dare2]

woohoo, then i'd load windows 3.1 on the b1tch..

[thefool]

And i suppose *coughs*Linux*coughs* too. I still think Linux is a jumped up kiddie OS though.

or are you saying that because you cant manage to use it?
Well, IBM uses linux on a lot of their machines. Also the very biggest part of the http-servers on the internet are NOT windows.

i doubt you even know what a shell is...


edit: sorry for going mad with my typing, but seriously, do you work for microsoft?

[Doobrey]

woohoo, then i'd load windows 3.1 on the b1tch..

And then kidnap Fred until he ports PB to it

[naw]

And i suppose *coughs*Linux*coughs* too. I still think Linux is a jumped up kiddie OS though.

Unix is optimised for running the worlds companies: Financial Institutions/Power Stations (mission critical servers). Linux shares that heritage

Windows optimised for MS Word, MS Excel, Quake, Tetris.

Lol ... its a different league