PB x86 compiler doesn't work anymore with newest Xcode!

Shardik · **Posted:** Sat Jan 12, 2019 12:52 pm

PB 5.46 x86, PB 5.62 x86 and PB 5.70 x86 don't work anymore on MacOS 10.13.6 'High Sierra' with the most current Xcode 10.1 (10B61):

When adding the following code at top of any PB code

Code:

Import "-stdlib=libc++ -mmacosx-version-min=10.9" : EndImport

another window is displayed:

PureBasic - Linker error wrote:

ld: warning: The i386 architecture is deprecated for macOS (remove from the Xcode build setting: ARCHS)
...

Apple seems to have removed the i386 architecture from its libraries beginning with Xcode 10.1, so it is now impossible to compile 32-bit programs (not only PB source codes) anymore. Therefore I didn't post this problem in "Bugs - Mac OSX" because it's not a PureBasic bug!

wilbert · **Posted:** Sat Jan 12, 2019 3:44 pm

You are right Shardik.

Personally I don't see any reason to continue to use PB x86 on MacOS but it is important to mention this.

Shardik · **Posted:** Thu Feb 07, 2019 10:24 am

Shardik wrote:

Apple seems to have removed the i386 architecture from its libraries beginning with Xcode 10.1, so it is now impossible to compile 32-bit programs (not only PB source codes) anymore.

It's official:

Xcode 10 Release Notes wrote:

The macOS 10.14 SDK no longer contains support for compiling 32-bit applications. If developers need to compile for i386, Xcode 9.4 or earlier is required.

So for compiling with PureBasic's x86 compiler you have to install Xcode 9.4 or earlier.

wilbert · **Posted:** Thu Feb 07, 2019 10:35 am

Shardik wrote:

So for compiling with PureBasic's x86 compiler you have to install Xcode 9.4 or earlier.

I think this will give a lot of confusion for new users.

You mentioned earlier that the minimum requirement for the latest version of PB is OSX 10.8 which only works on 64 bit hardware.
Maybe new PB x86 versions could be moved immediately to the museum section so people who need it can still download it but it is clear the preferred version is the x64 version ?

Fred · **Posted:** Thu Feb 07, 2019 10:39 am

I think it's time to drop x86 support on OS X. I did the same on SpiderBasic, as it was displaying a warning on new OSX (32-bit application are deprectaed and won't be supported in future version)

Shardik · **Posted:** Thu Feb 07, 2019 1:02 pm

wilbert wrote:

You mentioned earlier that the minimum requirement for the latest version of PB is OSX 10.8 which only works on 64 bit hardware.

That's incorrect.

In Bugs - Documentation Shardik wrote:

The oldest MacOS version with PB 5.70 Beta 2 working on (both 32-bit and 64-bit compilers) is MacOS 10.8.5 'Mountain Lion'. Therefore the requirements on PureBasic's website should be adapted.

In summary the situation is very simple. Only on MacOS 10.13 'High Sierra' and MacOS 10.14 'Mojave' with Xcode 10 the PureBasic x86 compiler doesn't work anymore. In High Sierra and Mojave with Xcode 9.4 or older the PureBasic x86 compiler works like a charm. MacOS 10.12 'Sierra' and older versions aren't supported by Xcode 10. And the most recent Xcode 10.2 even doesn't support High Sierra anymore!

wilbert · **Posted:** Thu Feb 07, 2019 3:09 pm

Shardik wrote:

That's incorrect.

I wasn't trying to say the x86 version wouldn't work.
What I was trying to say is that MacOS 10.8 requires a 64 bit cpu and therefore a 64 bit application should always work.
Looking at it from that point there is no strong reason anymore to compile a 32 bit application or maintain the x86 version of PB if MacOS 10.8 is the minimum requirement.
There can of course be other reasons why you would prefer to compile and run a 32 bit application like cross platform compatibility, less memory consumption or maintaining an old source.
Anyway, for me it would be no problem if x86 support for MacOS would be dropped.

Shardik · **Posted:** Thu Feb 07, 2019 9:44 pm

wilbert wrote:

What I was trying to say is that MacOS 10.8 requires a 64 bit cpu and therefore a 64 bit application should always work.
Looking at it from that point there is no strong reason anymore to compile a 32 bit application or maintain the x86 version of PB if MacOS 10.8 is the minimum requirement.
There can of course be other reasons why you would prefer to compile and run a 32 bit application like cross platform compatibility, less memory consumption or maintaining an old source.

I fully agree.

Andre · **Posted:** Fri Feb 08, 2019 2:07 pm

Fred wrote:

I think it's time to drop x86 support on OS X. I did the same on SpiderBasic, as it was displaying a warning on new OSX (32-bit application are deprectaed and won't be supported in future version)

Please not, at least for now...

If there isn't (much?) extra effort, the 32bit compilation is the only chance I have on my MacBook to use latest PB version.

I'm using MacOS El Capitan (10.11) on my MacBook and couldn't upgrade to a newer (x64) version, as the "Apple Hardware Check" says that my system of 2011 is too old.... which is still running fine (upgraded with SSD and more RAM).

Fred · **Posted:** Fri Feb 08, 2019 2:08 pm

OK, no problem. Will just put the 64-bit version behing in download

wilbert · **Posted:** Fri Feb 08, 2019 2:47 pm

Andre wrote:

If there isn't (much?) extra effort, the 32bit compilation is the only chance I have on my MacBook to use latest PB version.

I'm using MacOS El Capitan (10.11) on my MacBook and couldn't upgrade to a newer (x64) version, as the "Apple Hardware Check" says that my system of 2011 is too old.... which is still running fine (upgraded with SSD and more RAM).

Do you mean you can't run the x64 versions of PureBasic on your MacBook ?
That would be strange since MacOS 10.11 requires a 64 bit cpu as far as I know

the.weavster · **Posted:** Sun Feb 24, 2019 1:13 pm

Rumour is Apple is planning to migrate to ARM.

Andre · **Posted:** Wed Mar 06, 2019 11:36 pm

wilbert wrote:

Do you mean you can't run the x64 versions of PureBasic on your MacBook ?
That would be strange since MacOS 10.11 requires a 64 bit cpu as far as I know

Sorry for the late reply...

...after doing several tests yesterday I came to this mortifying :oops:

conclusion:

PB5.70 as x64 version runs well on my MacBook

Beeing a long-time x86 user (Win98 - XP) using PB 32bit version, I just stayed with 32bit PB when I bought my MacBook back in 2011, and didn't upgrade to newer OS X versions for a long time. Don't know anymore, but over the time I just believed that I'm owning just only a x86 Mac.... :wink:

Now with MacOS X El Capitan (10.11.6) I have successfully installed PB5.70 as 64bit version. And also my big project compiles/runs fine, just like it does on my Win10 laptop

So for my own use the support of the OS X x64 version would be enough, I'm just thinking if we should still be able to compile 32bit OS X application if needed!?

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