The fate (future) of PB

techjunkie · Post by **techjunkie** » Mon Mar 15, 2004 12:24 pm

Amiga5k wrote:You guys are so funny! Apparently, many of you have never even been to Blitz's website: Commercial releases happen on a weekly basis! (How many Purebasic commercial releases can you name?)

Yeah - releases in Blitz3D and Blitz2D, but for a GUI-application tool BlitzPlus sucks - almost no print support, really bad documentation, bad support for different gadgets (PB 26 without API-gadgets) (BP 15), large executables, no built in "visual designer" and much more... AND the last update of BP I have (1.37) is from 2003-03-14 - a year ago.

But I wan't no "flame-war" - nobody can convince me that BP is better for GUI-applications than PB, because it isn't...

I rest my case...

Karbon · Post by **Karbon** » Thu Mar 18, 2004 6:11 am

You're not comparing apples to apples.. Blitz[23]D and PureBasic have totally different audiences. One is a game development platform (for lack of a better description) and the other a general programming platform that you *can* write games in if you are so inclined.

All that and there is no website for people to post their commercial software written in PureBASIC like there is for Blitz so we have no idea how many commercial applications are being developed in it every week.. I'm willing to bet it's a lot more than you think!

Anyway, Blitz and Pure aren't rivals and I don't understand why everyone wants to make it out that way. Both are great!

techjunkie · Post by **techjunkie** » Thu Mar 18, 2004 8:52 am

Karbon wrote:Anyway, Blitz and Pure aren't rivals and I don't understand why everyone wants to make it out that way. Both are great!

I agree, but in my opinion BlitzPlus was a "rip-off"... It was an unfinished product... still is...

dagcrack · Post by **dagcrack** » Thu Mar 18, 2004 12:16 pm

Hey you cykotic!!! Theres tons of commercial and professional applications made in blitz3D (dunno in B+ for sure) but mixed 3d with gui and stuff.. you have Gile[s], thats impressive.. and many others i've seen that they rip your pants.

techjunkie · Post by **techjunkie** » Thu Mar 18, 2004 1:03 pm

My point is,

I allready had Blitz3D (with 2D built in), but BlitzPlus was sold as a "Windows GUI" basic language...

Well it is, but not finished and I doubt it never will be... The updates Mark is doing now is for Blitz3D and he is working on BlitzMax.

It was one year since the last BlitzPlus update and lets face it - you can't do anything serious or commercial in BlitzPlus, well in Blitz2D maybe, but then I'll use Blitz3D instead.

I'll end the BlitzPlus and PureBasic discussion for my part (I don't want a flame-war and this discussion should be in the Blitz community not here).

:roll:

(With my "bad" luck - an update of BlitzPlus surely will be posted today... and I have to stand in the corner...

)

Post by **Dare2** » Thu Mar 18, 2004 1:35 pm

(With my "bad" luck - an update of BlitzPlus surely will be posted today... and I have to stand in the corner... )

lol.

At least you have something. I bought blitz2D (a long time back now). Had a glitch with the registration. Emails etc asking for help (and offering payment details) got zero response.

So whilst blitz looks good (or 2D did), I won't touch it. They have my $$ and I return I got taught a lesson.

Mind you, when BlitzPlus was released the cheeky beggers did email me, trying to sell it, and 3D. *pshaw*

LarsG · Post by **LarsG** » Thu Mar 18, 2004 2:41 pm

Dare2 wrote:Had a glitch with the registration.

Didi you purchase it from Idigicon after the Idigicon/BlitzResearch incident?!?
I know there was a few people who suffered from that...
(and still some people who buys their copy from Idigicon, and can't get updates..)

Post by **Dare2** » Thu Mar 18, 2004 2:49 pm

Hiya LarsG.

Not sure what the Idigicon/BlitzResearch incident is.

This was some time back, so things are a bit fuzzy. I bought from somebody called guilder$hall or something similar (would need to dig up the docs to find actual details).

I do remember that at the time the main forum site, run by a 3rd pary, went belly up or at least went away because it was carrying too much expense. That site seemed to have some importance in the whole admin process.

I decided it was all a little "two-bit" and went away myself.

Anyhows, not important now. PB does what I want, and a bit more besides.

MadMax · Post by **MadMax** » Thu Mar 18, 2004 5:51 pm

I've been using PB for a few months now, and I must say I find it an amazing language. I just love it.

The Blitz saga is nice, but PB is something else.

For someone like me that codes for the fun of it, and occasionaly is asked for a specific program, PB is just great. Everyday I use it I'm surprised, and still haven't used all it's posibilities.

StarHawk · Post by **StarHawk** » Sun Mar 21, 2004 7:33 am

Hey Techjunkie,

I got your point and you are right about BlitzPlus, no doubt. I think our conversation took off in another direction and grew legs and sort of walked away from what we were talking about.

We ought to start a competition between coding a Windows application in Purebasic versus BlitzPlus just to really nail our point home. I'll never forget what brought me to Purebasic, I had just found out BlitzPlus didn't have PRINTING features (not sure if it has now only 2 updates in the last year), some smart arse wrote a DLL (BlitzPlus couldn't create DLL's, again, not sure if it still can't) that added PRINT capabilities to BlitzPlus. Dang I said, did you hammer out that small DLL in Visual C++? I was just working on the same thing for the last 2 days but my DLL is 175K, way bigger than your little 6K DLL, what options did you set in Visual C++ and how many weeks did it take you to develop this 3rd party add on so needed by BlitzPlus users?. "No", he said, "I just threw something together with Purebasic in about 15 minutes and it's no big deal, go ahead and use it for whatever you want, I just threw it together as a test, it is my first DLL I've ever written."

That was when I closed my C++ books and class notes, closed Visual C++, closed BlitzPlus, and opened purebasic.com in my browser.

Inner · Post by **Inner** » Sun Mar 21, 2004 1:07 pm

I wouldn't close those books, I'd keep at it with C++ not because there is anything wrong PureBasic (Previous statement said with reserve), but C++ will give you advantanges in the real world of programming, for example your more like to obtain a job if your CV has C++ on it, if your just doing it for fun and don't intend on continuing learning programming then you can stick right with PB. but, being good at one will make you better at the other, meaning learning C++ will make you a better PureBasic programmer.

The reason question is, do you (really) think Fred is going to be doing PureBasic for the next say 20-30 years?

Kale · Post by **Kale** » Sun Mar 21, 2004 2:35 pm

The reason question is, do you (really) think Fred is going to be doing PureBasic for the next say 20-30 years?

Will C++ be around in 20-30 years?

LarsG · Post by **LarsG** » Sun Mar 21, 2004 7:47 pm

Inner wrote:...do you (really) think Fred is going to be doing PureBasic for the next say 20-30 years?

If he did, then it would make PB an uber-elite powerful compiler...

ricardo · Post by **ricardo** » Sun Mar 21, 2004 11:39 pm

Kale wrote:
The reason question is, do you (really) think Fred is going to be doing PureBasic for the next say 20-30 years?
Will C++ be around in 20-30 years?

Will the world be around in 20~30 years? 8O

I hope so!

Kale · Post by **Kale** » Sun Mar 21, 2004 11:42 pm

Will the world be around in 20~30 years? 8O

Will i be around in 20-30 years? 8O

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