Isn't it about time Windows comes out with a new operating system?
W95-W98 = 2 years (1995)
W98-W00 = 2 years (1998)
W00-WXP = 2 years (2002)
W? = (2004)?
Does anyone know if Microsoft is working on one?
New Windows OS?
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DriakTravo
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Yeah, google for a link. It's been in development for quite a while AFAIK.
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Darkhorn is Microsoft's new Server Edition OS, programmed in DarkBasic.. 
AMD Athlon XP2400, 512 MB RAM, Hercules 3D Prophet 9600 256MB RAM, WinXP
PIII 800MHz, 320 MB RAM, Nvidia Riva Tnt 2 Mach 64 (32MB), WinXP + Linux
17" iMac, 1.8 GHz G5, 512 MB DDR-RAM, 80 GB HD, 64 MB Geforce FX 5200, SuperDrive, OSX
Despite all there best efforts Microsoft are running out of ways to slow down peoples computers. They have to do this to force people to upgrade there machines.
.Net was there last initiative. In Longhorn the filesystem is going to be implemented as a relational database, the UI will be 3D.
They really are struggling.
.Net was there last initiative. In Longhorn the filesystem is going to be implemented as a relational database, the UI will be 3D.
They really are struggling.
It still amazes me how much memory Windows continue to use.
But as GedB pointed out, MS proberly have a unsaid love bound with Hardware compagnies. Tight systems or programs is for others to do like our PureBasic :p
As for the Longhorn goes, much of the new stuff in it sounds nice. I don't mind a OS becomes enjoyment to use. For once it sounds like they are improving things for us users, and not just changing the filesystem again.
Right now I'm just happy about waiting until 2006 for the next computer upgrade. Whole 2 years with stability.
But as GedB pointed out, MS proberly have a unsaid love bound with Hardware compagnies. Tight systems or programs is for others to do like our PureBasic :p
As for the Longhorn goes, much of the new stuff in it sounds nice. I don't mind a OS becomes enjoyment to use. For once it sounds like they are improving things for us users, and not just changing the filesystem again.
Right now I'm just happy about waiting until 2006 for the next computer upgrade. Whole 2 years with stability.
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vanleth,
Deep down inside the core, Windows actually seems to be very tightly implemented. ODBC is the same. Very tight and fast, not that complicated.
However, on top of this core there is complex layer upon complex layer. On top of windows you have ActiveX, COM and now CLR. On top of ODBC you have ADODB, ADO, ADO.net and so many others.
All of these layers are supposed to make things easier.
What also amazes me, using the API so directly with PB, is how efficient Windows can be.It still amazes me how much memory Windows continue to use.
Deep down inside the core, Windows actually seems to be very tightly implemented. ODBC is the same. Very tight and fast, not that complicated.
However, on top of this core there is complex layer upon complex layer. On top of windows you have ActiveX, COM and now CLR. On top of ODBC you have ADODB, ADO, ADO.net and so many others.
All of these layers are supposed to make things easier.
True, that dosn't sound good.freedimension wrote: Yeah, like Digital Rights Management and that kind of stuff
I Wish I could uninstall it allGedB wrote: However, on top of this core there is complex layer upon complex layer. On top of windows you have ActiveX, COM and now CLR. On top of ODBC you have ADODB, ADO, ADO.net and so many others.
Would this help 
XPLite sounds terrific!!
Does it REALLY does what it claims to do?
Once i was playing with a tweak app and make a trouble into my XP
not because i made a mistake, but because all are so spaguetti that many times you cant know the consequences of something if you are not a hardware specialist." If a particular technology gives you trouble you can completely remove it, and then reinstall it as cleanly as the day Windows was first installed on your computer."
Is that true? Its idiot proof?
Thanks for any recommendation. If it works i will happily buy the app, but want to knoe before wasting money.
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Found this from www.tweakhound.com
"XPlite Review
by Eric Vaughan
February 03, 2004
What is XPlite?
A program that will allow you to uninstall parts of XP that do not show up in the Ad/Remove section in Control Panel (what XP should have done from the beginning).
The XPlite website is http://www.litepc.com/xplite.html .
I did some research on XPlite when it went gold and was intrigued by it. It's predecessor (98lite) was renowned for the ability to strip a system down to conserve, what was then, valuable disk space. With the proliferation of large hard drives, space is no longer an issue for many of us. The exception to that is laptops. If you're anything like me you never have enough space on that.
Why the review then?
XP installs way too much stuff for many of us. You've heard the cries of the flame warriors in the forums and message boards, "bloatware, bloatware!" Well, one mans bloat is another mans feature (or so Apple tells us ). However these flame warriors do have a point, we should be able to remove the parts we don't want. Actually, we should be given that option at install time, but, I digress. Removing unneeded/unwanted portions of XP has 3 obvious advantages; Security, less used hard drive space, and control.
I'll be looking at XPlite to see:
1 - Does it deliver as advertised?
2 - Does uninstalling components with XPlite cause problems?
3 - What do you gain by using XPlite?
A closer look
I cleaned my drive and ran speed disk. Then I made a Ghost image and prepared to run the program (that was a hint!). You do not need to install XPlite, it is an executable (.exe) that will run from any drive/partition. Excellent!
(intro screen)
You'll open the application and the click "Next". This takes you to the WFP (Windows File Protection) box. In order to make many of the changes, disabling this is necessary. You'll do so and reboot to the following screen and click "Next" again. Let me stress something now, DO NOT FORGET to turn WFP back on!
Here you'll find all your options, there are plenty (and more to come if the beta version is any indication). Before I continue let me hand out some advice before I get emails from people whining at me. DO NOT uninstall stuff you know nothing about, you'll be sorry. What you choose to get rid of will depend on personal preferences and needs. Rather than list every one for you, here is a screen shot of the whole thing.
Using XPlite
Everything is pretty straight forward. I choose what options I wanted to uninstall and clicked "Next". I'm not exactly sure why but I was asked for my XP CD during the process, no biggie. I rebooted and then turned WFP back on. I then rebooted into safe mode and cleaned the drive again, rebooted and ran Norton Speed Disk. Checking the error logs, no errors have happened as a result of using XPlite (even after 2 days of use).
From the components I choose to remove, I gained approximately 230MB of hard drive space. The makers of the program state that it is possible to make XP itself take up under 350MB if you completely strip it down. Thats more shrinkage than a swim in a cold pool while viewing nudie pictures of Oprah can produce!
Now, I had a theory that stripping some of the "features" from XP would make it faster. However, I ran into 2 problems in trying to prove this theory. The first problem is that all my systems are pretty well tweaked. Yes, I could have set up a test system and done 2 full installs but that leaves me with the second problem. The second problem is that I'm at a loss as to what benchmark I could use to produce reliable results in benchmarking the OS against the changes made. I actually did make an attempt at using PCMark04. It should be noted that this situation is completely outside of what it's designed to measure (which is why I won't publish the scores) but I thought I would give it a shot. The results were statistically insignificant.
Conclusion
Now to answer the previous questions:
1 - Does it deliver as advertised?
Absolutely.
2 - Does uninstalling components with XPlite cause problems?
After 2 days of use I encountered no problems.
3 - What do you gain by using XPlite?
Security, hard drive space, and control.
Negatives
While the menu does offer a small explanation of what each Windows "feature" is, it is rather limited. I would like to see a more detailed explanation of the "feature" and possible problems with uninstalling that "feature". They do have a small database of problems up, but I would like to see more. IMHO, the best thing they could do is to get a forum/message board going where people could go for answers to problems and advice.
Positives
Does what it claims to do. Add to that the fact that upgrades are free and you have a winner.
Recommendation
I stopped giving out "awards" here some time ago, I'll just tell you what I think about XPlite...
XPlite is a tweakers dream come true. A professional looking application, it delivers on the promise "Windows your way". Not only useful in the home environment, it should strongly be considered as a solution by IT folks as well. I love this program and will continue to use it. Next time you see some flame warrior whining about XP's bloat, just post a link to XPlite. In a nutshell, it simply delivers. I highly recommend XPlite."
http://www.tweakhound.com/reviews/xplite/
"XPlite Review
by Eric Vaughan
February 03, 2004
What is XPlite?
A program that will allow you to uninstall parts of XP that do not show up in the Ad/Remove section in Control Panel (what XP should have done from the beginning).
The XPlite website is http://www.litepc.com/xplite.html .
I did some research on XPlite when it went gold and was intrigued by it. It's predecessor (98lite) was renowned for the ability to strip a system down to conserve, what was then, valuable disk space. With the proliferation of large hard drives, space is no longer an issue for many of us. The exception to that is laptops. If you're anything like me you never have enough space on that.
Why the review then?
XP installs way too much stuff for many of us. You've heard the cries of the flame warriors in the forums and message boards, "bloatware, bloatware!" Well, one mans bloat is another mans feature (or so Apple tells us ). However these flame warriors do have a point, we should be able to remove the parts we don't want. Actually, we should be given that option at install time, but, I digress. Removing unneeded/unwanted portions of XP has 3 obvious advantages; Security, less used hard drive space, and control.
I'll be looking at XPlite to see:
1 - Does it deliver as advertised?
2 - Does uninstalling components with XPlite cause problems?
3 - What do you gain by using XPlite?
A closer look
I cleaned my drive and ran speed disk. Then I made a Ghost image and prepared to run the program (that was a hint!). You do not need to install XPlite, it is an executable (.exe) that will run from any drive/partition. Excellent!
(intro screen)
You'll open the application and the click "Next". This takes you to the WFP (Windows File Protection) box. In order to make many of the changes, disabling this is necessary. You'll do so and reboot to the following screen and click "Next" again. Let me stress something now, DO NOT FORGET to turn WFP back on!
Here you'll find all your options, there are plenty (and more to come if the beta version is any indication). Before I continue let me hand out some advice before I get emails from people whining at me. DO NOT uninstall stuff you know nothing about, you'll be sorry. What you choose to get rid of will depend on personal preferences and needs. Rather than list every one for you, here is a screen shot of the whole thing.
Using XPlite
Everything is pretty straight forward. I choose what options I wanted to uninstall and clicked "Next". I'm not exactly sure why but I was asked for my XP CD during the process, no biggie. I rebooted and then turned WFP back on. I then rebooted into safe mode and cleaned the drive again, rebooted and ran Norton Speed Disk. Checking the error logs, no errors have happened as a result of using XPlite (even after 2 days of use).
From the components I choose to remove, I gained approximately 230MB of hard drive space. The makers of the program state that it is possible to make XP itself take up under 350MB if you completely strip it down. Thats more shrinkage than a swim in a cold pool while viewing nudie pictures of Oprah can produce!
Now, I had a theory that stripping some of the "features" from XP would make it faster. However, I ran into 2 problems in trying to prove this theory. The first problem is that all my systems are pretty well tweaked. Yes, I could have set up a test system and done 2 full installs but that leaves me with the second problem. The second problem is that I'm at a loss as to what benchmark I could use to produce reliable results in benchmarking the OS against the changes made. I actually did make an attempt at using PCMark04. It should be noted that this situation is completely outside of what it's designed to measure (which is why I won't publish the scores) but I thought I would give it a shot. The results were statistically insignificant.
Conclusion
Now to answer the previous questions:
1 - Does it deliver as advertised?
Absolutely.
2 - Does uninstalling components with XPlite cause problems?
After 2 days of use I encountered no problems.
3 - What do you gain by using XPlite?
Security, hard drive space, and control.
Negatives
While the menu does offer a small explanation of what each Windows "feature" is, it is rather limited. I would like to see a more detailed explanation of the "feature" and possible problems with uninstalling that "feature". They do have a small database of problems up, but I would like to see more. IMHO, the best thing they could do is to get a forum/message board going where people could go for answers to problems and advice.
Positives
Does what it claims to do. Add to that the fact that upgrades are free and you have a winner.
Recommendation
I stopped giving out "awards" here some time ago, I'll just tell you what I think about XPlite...
XPlite is a tweakers dream come true. A professional looking application, it delivers on the promise "Windows your way". Not only useful in the home environment, it should strongly be considered as a solution by IT folks as well. I love this program and will continue to use it. Next time you see some flame warrior whining about XP's bloat, just post a link to XPlite. In a nutshell, it simply delivers. I highly recommend XPlite."
http://www.tweakhound.com/reviews/xplite/
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