[Implemented] 64Bit

StarHawk · Post by **StarHawk** » Sat Mar 13, 2004 6:52 am

Compiler option to create .exe's in true 64bit code utilizing 64bit registers.

darklordz · Post by **darklordz** » Sat Mar 13, 2004 6:48 pm

I agree

Psychophanta · Post by **Psychophanta** » Mon Mar 15, 2004 6:50 pm

Do you mean for newest 64-bit OSes?
You are not requiring a compiler option, but a new and different Purebasic compiler.

RJP Computing · Post by **RJP Computing** » Tue Mar 16, 2004 1:36 am

I would also like this. I just bought a new AMD Athlon 64. It is sweet.

Please Fred help me unlock the "PurePower"

Soulfire · Post by **Soulfire** » Tue Mar 16, 2004 5:32 am

Forgive me if I dont know what I'm talking about, but isn't 64-bit code on a 32-bit operating system completely worthless? Last I checked there weren't any mainstream 64-bit operating systems..

Psychophanta · Post by **Psychophanta** » Tue Mar 16, 2004 11:51 am

Past month I have bought a notebook with AMD Athlon 64 3000+ on a VIA K8T800, 512MB RAM, AC 97 Audio, ATI RADEON 9600 64MB...
It is not cheap, but it is a nice concept. My eyes are never tired when reading on a TFT screen...
All it to play emulators comfortably

...and to program ... etc.

Since 2002 when Itanium 2 appeared, is growing a 64-bit and parallel processing researching, now Intel Madison II has 9 MB cache in a 3rd cache level, and many many other strange improvements to get more and more processing speed with less Mhz amount. I don't know if AMD Opteron includes those strange improvements from Intel to speed up processing.
But what i want to say is that those 64 bit and parallel procesing improvements require a new concept for compilers, for example the compiler must manage predictions, must leave a code which tell to microprocessor which instructions are arranged to be executed in real parallel time with main thread... etc... too much complex. Today, still there are no compilers which work fine with all it.

dmoc · Post by **dmoc** » Tue Mar 16, 2004 1:06 pm

Psychophanta, what make of notebook? Is the gfx upgradable? What OS are you running? What bank did you rob? Can I have it after you get bored of it or after it gets scratched (one scratch and it's not "cool" anymore). Gimme, gimme, gimme

More seriously: Is it *really* a 9600 coz I heard ATI were passing off 9200's as 9600's? I also heard a rumour that you have to be careful not to drive the gfx too hard for too long otherwise the machine can seriously overheat, true?

RJP Computing · Post by **RJP Computing** » Tue Mar 16, 2004 2:14 pm

Soulfire wrote:Forgive me if I dont know what I'm talking about, but isn't 64-bit code on a 32-bit operating system completely worthless? Last I checked there weren't any mainstream 64-bit operating systems..

Windows XP 64-bit is as mainstream as it gets. It works great!
Check this out. http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/64bit/default.asp

GedB · Post by **GedB** » Tue Mar 16, 2004 2:53 pm

But what i want to say is that those 64 bit and parallel procesing improvements require a new concept for compilers, for example the compiler must manage predictions, must leave a code which tell to microprocessor which instructions are arranged to be executed in real parallel time with main thread... etc... too much complex. Today, still there are no compilers which work fine with all it.

Isn't this stuff that would be handled by the FASM compiler rather than Purebasic itself?

Could any extra features of the 64 bit processors be handled the same way as the MMX, 3DNow, etc? ie. With difference versions in the pure libraries.

Psychophanta · Post by **Psychophanta** » Tue Mar 16, 2004 5:04 pm

dmoc;
Yes it is a ATI RADEON 9600 mobility. I don't use too hard graphics on it, but i bought the notebook to use it 24 hours/day, like a server

, for emule, etc. (i hate noise and big sizes, so i prefer notebook) the model i have is Acer Aspire 1501, and it's almost 1699 euros here in Spain. I am in love

After USB invent, notebooks are not like before; now it is upgradable like if it had PCI slots...

so now there are no reason to purchase a notebook, still are a little bit expansive than normal PC, but you can get a Pentium 4 2.6Ghz or Athlon 2600 for 850 euros, of course with 512 MB DDR333, combo DVD, USB, ... and i am sure prices for memories, HD, etc. for notebook computers will be cheaper day by day; because notebooks market are growing more and more, not only in Japan or USA.

Isn't this stuff that would be handled by the FASM compiler rather than Purebasic itself?
Could any extra features of the 64 bit processors be handled the same way as the MMX, 3DNow, etc? ie. With difference versions in the pure libraries.

I think yes.

freedimension · Post by **freedimension** » Wed Mar 17, 2004 1:03 am

Oh my gosh, it really happened. Acer released a Notebook that at last has a real gfx-card build in, and not a stupid shared memory card.
I really like Acer Notebooks, I have an aspire 1300, bought cheap at amazon

My next notebook should be an egglayingwoolmilkpig (this is a german saying translated crudely, but I think you all get the hint

). It should be a tablet pc with at least 15" and a real gfx-card. 64bit would be cool and it also should be fast as hell *dream*

For the original post: I don't think this wish is very realistic, as there are too much things to think about. Fred would have to rewrite or overlook most of the parts of the compiler. But for the near future, Fred would be well advised to develop a standalone 64 bit compiler.