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[Joakim Christiansen]

This video is made by me in another body, yeah that is how well it represents my view of humans:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfGMYdalClU

I also love the ending since it reflects my saying:

I think we should treat animals like we would like to be treated in their position, because aren't we in that position to others?

[applePi]

thats a significant and expressive video, it is just recently the scientists admitted that animals have consciousness and in a conference under the name "The Cambridge Declaration on Consciousness" http://fcmconference.org/img/CambridgeD ... usness.pdf .look also http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/oct ... claration/
imagine that what every dog and cat and horse owner know discovered just recently.

[IdeasVacuum]

That is a well made video. Sadly, it's true.

[tj1010]

I would make videos about this, but I work at places that contribute to it and it'd make me a hypocritical sociopath.. No offense

[PB]

The video's true, but it's also very true that humans and our lifestyle will NEVER change.
So, agree with the video, cry a bit, lament the animals... but it won't achieve anything.
At the end of the day we're always going to be cutting down trees, dumping in the ocean,
and so on. It's just the human way of life. Nothing can be done to change it unless we all
become cave men again.

[TI-994A]

I think we should treat animals like we would like to be treated in their position, because aren't we in that position to others?

Perhaps, but only to some ethical extent. Like it or not, predation is integral to the ecological balance.

[applePi]

i agree with PB, we will never change our Lifestyle, look what this cheat sheet about !!
http://visual.ly/cuts-beef

[Danilo]

The video's true, but it's also very true that humans and our lifestyle will NEVER change.
So, agree with the video, cry a bit, lament the animals... but it won't achieve anything.
At the end of the day we're always going to be cutting down trees, dumping in the ocean,
and so on. It's just the human way of life. Nothing can be done to change it unless we all
become cave men again.

Things are already changing... at least a little bit. We know now the humans are the problem.
200 years ago, nobody was thinking about air pollution, and very few were thinking about
extermination of species, made by humans.

We know about it today, we are aware that we are the problem, and we would like to change.
One of the biggest problem is the explosion in mass of humans. 2... 4... 6... 7... 8... 9 Billions.
And the second problem is poverty. There are countries where they still burn waste and don't
have garbage collection and recycling. Countries, where we have no easy access to food and
clean drinking water.
Of course this 7+ billion humans need also food. 3 to 5 times every day, so billions of cows,
pigs, and chickens need to die for us. Forests get cut down to make new farm land, and this is also
a problem of the mass of humans alive.

Generally I think we are already in a transition stage, but it looks like it is not going fast enough.
If you travel a bit around the world, you will be shocked how 'backwards' and poor many non-western countries
are, so there are still many things to do.
We already built gene banks of other animals, we are in the transition to green energy. It is at least a start,
but now that we are aware of the problem, that's just not enough. The transition goes way too slow, and
humans still prefer to make war against other countries and other humans, not seeing the big picture.
We have world-wide climate conferences. Generally a good sign, but profit & economy almost always
stay above everything else. That's the reason the USA, one of the most economically successful and profitable
countries in our world, always slow down any climate change agreements.

About the consciousness of the other animals, I always wonder why humans today think
we are something special. We are one of many species, so we are animals, too.
The problem is we treat other animals as something below us, as if the species of homo sapiens
is above all other species. The destroyers of the world think they are better!

As we know, we are the result of a very small population (Adam & Eve ), some hundred thousand years ago.
It is possible humans got a mental disorder because of the limited gene pool.
7,000,000,000+ people are descendants of approximately 7,000 to 10,000 humans in the stone age,
probably coming from Africa and maybe Asia.

I am very interested in new discoveries about the universe and human history, and I always
wonder that scientist are looking for life in the big universe out there, and they are all overseeing
that the whole universe actually IS life. Every planet and every star is born, has a life, and dies.
Everything is change and is alive, but at the small time scale we look at things, we only see billion
of dead rocks circling around, forming solar systems and galaxies by accident.
In our small lifetime we experience some earth quakes and tsunamis, but nonetheless we think generally
our earth is just a rock circling around the sun.
The whole earth seems like a living being, an always changing and very alive species. Our mother earth
was born, has a life, and will die for sure. On her surface live other species, like bacteria live on and within ourselves.
Like bacteria within our gastrointestinal passage, like all cells of our human bodies.

There is at least some hope, and sciences, education, and enlightenment force the changes that are required to be done.
At the end it is our very own decision. We are only one of billions of species out there, and only one of many
billion planets with " extraordinary" animals like humans. It doesn't hurt the universe if one planet and some
millions of species go extinct...

[TI-994A]

The problem is we treat other animals as something below us, as if the species of homo sapiens is above all other species.

I'm sure that you're familiar with the food chain.

As we know, we are the result of a very small population (Adam & Eve ), some hundred thousand years back.

No, we don't know that.

[PB]

> we treat other animals as something below us, as if the species of homo sapiens is above all other species

Well, we ARE above all other animals. Like it or not, there is not one other single species
of life on this planet anywhere near our intelligence. Why hasn't evolution produced many
equal intelligent forms of life? Why are humans the only ones? Why are humans the only
species with different faces, where all other species look exactly alike? We're all totally
unique when it comes to physical identification, but other species (generally) aren't.
There's something about humans that sets them apart from all other life. What is it?

[IdeasVacuum]

There's something about humans that sets them apart from all other life. What is it?

It may be true, we like to think it is, but we actually do not know enough about our planet and other species to be sure.
Back in the 1970-80s, NASA developed a planet explorer that would basically roam around a moon or planet, looking for signs of life. One thing it needed to do was establish which species was 'in charge' and try to communicate.

Here in the UK, we put a prototype to the test, asking it to explore Earth. It concluded that the master species were the fish in the sea......

[Danilo]

Well, we ARE above all other animals. Like it or not, there is not one other single species
of life on this planet anywhere near our intelligence. Why hasn't evolution produced many
equal intelligent forms of life? Why are humans the only ones?

Maybe it was an accident. Out of many other species, humans are very special -
we are the only one that destroy our natural environment like we do, so aggressively.
Dinosaurs lived for approximately 165 million years, and humans have
destroyed their environment within round about 3,000 to 5,000 years,
even more rapidly in the last 200 - 300 years, since the "industrial revolution".

What you call "intelligence", seems not to be very intelligent to outsiders.
It may be just being crazy, a mental disorder, that will itself get extinct.

Why are humans the only species with different faces, where all other species look exactly alike?

Every cat and dog looks different and has a different face. It is like all black or east asian
people look same at first sight, but it's not the truth if you get used to it.

There's something about humans that sets them apart from all other life. What is it?

Must be the "intelligence" to destroy it's natural environment!

Beside that, the craziest animals discovered, they think they are the best and
they proliferate itself way too much. It wasn't a problem when we were
500 million or 1 billion. It is a problem now, that we think we are gods
and we think it would be nice to be 10 billions.
I don't want ancestors, because I am aware of being crazy, but the dumbest humans
clone itself to an extend it looks like they are crazy. There are countries where
2 humans still get 6 to 8 kids. Way too much, and nature itself will stop it.

I believe in fairness and equity of nature, so nature itself will take care of the problem.
A little tsunami with 300,000 dead people here, and an explosion in yellow stone national park there,
with approximately 100 million dead people. Nature is able to send us a little rock from
outer space to kill all 7,000,000,000+ humans. Nature is always fair, maintaining a fair balance.

What you do in this life, will come back to you within this life. It is a downright lie that it will
come back to you in a next life... and it is one of the biggest misunderstood concepts of any
religion today. Even my wife, coming from Asia and being buddhist, believes that everything
you do comes back in this life, not in a far-away next life. That's our believe, and we live like it is the truth,
although we are aware that we don't understand the whole truth of nature.

[TI-994A]

Hi Danilo. No disrespect, but here are some counterpoints.

...we think we are gods and we think it would be nice to be 10 billions.

No one thought that population explosion is a good idea, but without procreation, we'd face extinction.

There are countries where 2 humans still get 6 to 8 kids. Way too much, and nature itself will stop it.

In your opinion. It's only natural to reproduce, so it would be contradictory for nature to stop it.

I believe in fairness and equity of nature, so nature itself will take care of the problem. A little tsunami with 300,000 dead people there, and an explosion in yellow stone national park there, with approximately 100 million dead people. Nature is able to send us a little rock from outer space to kill all 7,000,000,000+ humans. Nature is always fair, maintaining a fair balance.

If such were to happen, c'est la vie. But, whether it's nature's way of balancing population, we'd never know. The dinosaurs were pretty frugal with their reproduction, and they were still exterminated.

What you do in this life, will come back to you within this life. It is a downright lie that it will come back to you in a next life... and it is one of the biggest misunderstood concepts of any religion today. Even my wife, coming from Asia and being buddhist, believes that everything you do comes back in this life, not in a far-away next life. That's our believe, and we live like it is the truth.

You're definitely entitled to your beliefs, as others are to theirs. But that doesn't make any of it true.

[tj1010]

When the oceans and freshwater can't dilute anymore and the ecosystem can't filter carbon anymore the problem takes care of itself.. Till then we need all need status symbols and socialism is evil..