SpiderBasic 1.00 is out !

[plouf]

a direct conenction to sql server should also be possilbe (there is node.js etc)
however server side scripting (php, perl cgi etc) should be lighter and better way!

note that mysql, after oracle ownership, maybe not be anymore as "free" as many (all ?) will.
PostgreSQL and/or SQLite (sqlite is harder here) maybe more "free and futereproof free"

postgresql is almost anywhere where mysql run these day, i mean hosting servers.

also local storage (HTML5) can provide some sort of help here

[learnlearntt]

Hi, I have a question.

Why not combine SpiderBasic and PureBasic into one single software? Indie developers only need to use one single software to export their games(or application softwares) to different platforms. It is more convenient than using two softwares to export. Euros 79 is still the basic price of PureBasic(Windows, Mac, Linux) and its all updates. HTML5 exporter, IOS exporter, Andriod exporter, etc. are additional exporters and with extra price(49 euros for about 2 years).

The above idea is more reasonable. A big advantage of the above idea is that all old PureBasic users will not worry about the future of PureBasic. Actually, many popular multiplatform softwares can export to desktop, IOS, Android and HTML5. (Developers don't need to use two softwares to export.)

[Olby]

Hi, I have a question.

Why not combine SpiderBasic and PureBasic into one single software? Indie developers only need to use one single software to export their games(or application softwares) to different platforms. It is more convenient than using two softwares to export. Euros 79 is still the basic price of PureBasic(Windows, Mac, Linux) and its all updates. HTML5 exporter, IOS exporter, Andriod exporter, etc. are additional exporters and with extra price(49 euros for about 2 years).

The above idea is more reasonable. A big advantage of the above idea is that all old PureBasic users will not worry about the future of PureBasic. Actually, many popular multiplatform softwares can export to desktop, IOS, Android and HTML5. (Developers don't need to use two softwares to export.)

+1

I also wonder why they didn't do this in the first place. I understand there might be some redundant commands and necessary changes but we already do this with CompilerIf (Linux/Win/Mac) to code around any platform/tech related limitations.

[J. Baker]

Hi, I have a question.

Why not combine SpiderBasic and PureBasic into one single software? Indie developers only need to use one single software to export their games(or application softwares) to different platforms. It is more convenient than using two softwares to export. Euros 79 is still the basic price of PureBasic(Windows, Mac, Linux) and its all updates. HTML5 exporter, IOS exporter, Andriod exporter, etc. are additional exporters and with extra price(49 euros for about 2 years).

The above idea is more reasonable. A big advantage of the above idea is that all old PureBasic users will not worry about the future of PureBasic. Actually, many popular multiplatform softwares can export to desktop, IOS, Android and HTML5. (Developers don't need to use two softwares to export.)

+1

I also wonder why they didn't do this in the first place. I understand there might be some redundant commands and necessary changes but we already do this with CompilerIf (Linux/Win/Mac) to code around any platform/tech related limitations.

That would be nice and work just fine...

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CompilerIf #PB_Compiler_ExecutableFormat = #PB_Compiler_Web

[Poshu]

Well, I guess that it might scare new users away if you have to buy purebasic even though you are only interested in spider basic. I think (Expect? Hope? Whatever) that we will be able to import the spider compiler in purebasic :3

[IdeasVacuum]

Why not combine SpiderBasic and PureBasic into one single software?

+ 1
A very sensible idea, which is why the competitors are doing it that way. The Help already notes which functions can be used on which OS, so this is just a further expansion of the theme. Also, putting a price on each 'exporter' is very fair, and it potentially means an initial revenue boost as the many current PB Users who want to create web apps will be the first to part with their money, since it is the current customer base who know and trust Fred.

I know this would end PB's 'Free updates for life' - but why not? Everything has changed since PB was first released, I think we can all understand that dedication alone is not enough - Fred and his team must be able to generate a good, reliable income.

[UUICEO]

Why not combine SpiderBasic and PureBasic into one single software?

+ 1
A very sensible idea, which is why the competitors are doing it that way. The Help already notes which functions can be used on which OS, so this is just a further expansion of the theme. Also, putting a price on each 'exporter' is very fair, and it potentially means an initial revenue boost as the many current PB Users who want to create web apps will be the first to part with their money, since it is the current customer base who know and trust Fred.

I know this would end PB's 'Free updates for life' - but why not? Everything has changed since PB was first released, I think we can all understand that dedication alone is not enough - Fred and his team must be able to generate a good, reliable income.

I totally agree. I would be willing to pay for the web plugin for PB.

[Kuron]

Why not combine SpiderBasic and PureBasic into one single software?

PureBasic is a compiler that produces native code. SpiderBasic isn't. Which product do you want to completely rewrite to function in a way it is not intended?

Also, the loss of features in PureBasic would drive most people away because many of commands that are used for desktop platforms simply will not have an equivalent on mobile or web-based platforms. Not to mention the 2D/3D/Multimedia commands.

Having the two separate is the way it should be. Some of us have ZERO interest in SpiderBasic (at least in its current state), although we are VERY glad to see it. Many people who buy SpiderBasic will have no interest in PureBasic. If the two were combined, you would have many people avoiding the product.

A very sensible idea, which is why the competitors are doing it that way.

Monkey doesn't. GLBasic doesn't. AGK doesn't. We could go down the list of all of the competition which doesn't.

Which competition actually does as you claim? I am genuinely interested.

[ts-soft]

The combine is not required. I use 15 pbcompiler from one IDE (4.10 to 5.21 x86 x64) and i think you can add SpiderBasic as compiler in the
finished version. Simple set the compileroption or add a target to your project for SpiderBasic.

[Joakim Christiansen]

a direct conenction to sql server should also be possilbe (there is node.js etc)
however server side scripting (php, perl cgi etc) should be lighter and better way!

A direct connection means having the password visible in the sourcecode of the website (HTML and JS which everyone can browse), even if obfuscated it would be a serious threat to your server since someone would eventually misuse it.

Why not combine SpiderBasic and PureBasic into one single software?

Because they are SO different! HTML 5 and Javascript is really limited compared to what you can do with native code running in the OS. It will just simply not be possible to convert any advanced Windows, Linux or OS-X written program to it... Most programs will have to be tailored from the start.

That's at least my thoughts, and I'm a web-developer.

[applePi]

merging the spider with the pure are suitable for the old users, but will scare the new users .
but it may be possible the 2 solutions to coexist. spiderBasic standalone product for the new users, and a web plugin for purebasic for who want to buy it from the old users.

[PB]

> It will just simply not be possible to convert any advanced Windows,
> Linux or OS-X written program to [JavaScript]

This is the reason. People will write a game/app for Windows and
wonder why it just won't seamlessly run in the web browser too.
Then the abuse and false bug reports will start. It's a nightmare.

[oryaaaaa]

I get very happy compiler, thank you.

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[Kwai chang caine]

but it may be possible the 2 solutions to coexist. spiderBasic standalone product for the new users, and a web plugin for purebasic for who want to buy it from the old users.

Yes i believe it's that the good idea.
FRED since the begining all do for make a langage flexible, all the component are separate (Compiler, lib, etc...) and it's the first time he create a hard frontier, then at my mind it's perhaps not really necessary.
This idea of the start to do a langage with free update for a life, may now be too hard to live
Fred need like as we all, to have a job with a pay
I think that until now, he have hard worked for give splendid library for zero dollars... who can do that ???

Me, i believe the good solution is to create a PB with base library, and sale each new or specific library.
Like that each of us, can choose what library he need or not.
For my exampler all the lib 3D never interest me since the begining, i have never use it, and other perhaps never use other library, etc..

I think the good solution, is not change something for old users, bug is fixed freely and start to now, each new library becomes Pay.
Free to all, to buy or not.

With this idea, PB can have money for continue to progress, only one IDE, and each of us can have their own PB like him
And everybody are happy, in the better world

Excuse me for the french langage, it's nearly the first time,but it's impossible to me, to explain the real sentiments in english
You can like me all the day (for the english), using GOOGLE for translate...good chance

Ce n'est que l'avis d'un gland de la programmation, qui essaie désespérément de coder comme un vrai, depuis 8 ans parmi les meilleurs de la programmation.
Je n’ai jamais eu les cou… de créer une entreprise, mais je connais assez bien ce milieu pour pouvoir donner des conseils quand à sa gestion et sa pérennité.
Depuis toutes ces années, PB m'a amené une richesse de connaissance (encore loin d'être acquise), mais aussi une richesse de rencontres, la faculté de rencontrer des personnes que j’admire tous les jours et avec lesquelles je peux échanger, comme si je faisais parti de leur monde.

De nombreuses fois, j’ai chanté les louanges de ce langage, peut être un peu trop, au point de me faire passer pour un débile, mais c’est pourtant en toute sincérité que je me suis continuellement exprimé sur les forums (Jamais de censure, et je tiens aussi à remercier FRED de ça)
Avec la jeunesse et l’esprit non commercial que FRED a eu au départ, cela partait d’une bonne intention de faire les updates à vie. Hors les temps changent, tout est argent et notre PB ne peut passer outre ce phénomène de société, qui pourri malheureusement tout.
FRED et son équipe ont besoin d’argent, comme nous tous, pour nous apporter encore plus de puissance et de plaisir à programmer.

Alors que faire ???
Je suis un radin de nature, ne fait quasi jamais de cadeaux, si ce n’est intéressé, mais malgré cela, je pense que l’époque de la générosité exacerbé de FRED a vécu. Je pense même que cette dernière peu le mener à sa perte.
Alors pourquoi ne pas finir une bonne fois pour toute une version, en béton, pas de bug, puis à partir de cet instant terminer les updates à vie, pour les nouveaux arrivants au moins.
Retirer aux nouveaux arrivants quelques librairies secondaires, ou même les laisser.
Puis chaque nouvelle librairie deviendrait payante, à un prix attractif, mais payante.
Comme cela FRED pourrait gérer la donation, la vente de chacune d’elle selon le client.
Quelqu’un qui apporterait des nouveaux clients, ou participerait à l’amélioration de PB, etc..pourrait obtenir une ou plusieurs librairies de son choix cadeau.
Lorsque FRED se sentirait d’une humeur généreuse, il pourrait offrir, si l’envie lui vient, une petite librairie à noël à tout le monde…etc..
Chacun de nous ferait son marché, et achèterait telle ou telle librairie selon son choix.
La structure de PB a été tellement bien pensée, que cela est facilement gérable.
Celui qui veut faire du HTML achète la libraire SPIDER, et sinon pas besoin de débourser d’argent pour continuer.

Cela me surprend de moi-même, mais c’est bien la première fois dans toute ma vie, que je considère que j’ai assez profité d’une gratuité qui m’est due à vie.

Bien que je sois surement insuportable, et que bien des administrateurs m'auraient déjà exclu de la communauté.
Je tiens encore à remercier FRED pour tout, je n'espere pas par ce message attirer de la sympathie de sa part, bien que ce serait mon rêve, mais tout au moins lui apporter un petit avis, et un peu de soutiens, venant d'une personne qui aime sincerement ce langage, ses utilisateurs (Sauf quelque uns ), son équipe et son créateur.

[netmaestro]

It's already two products each with its own licensing scheme, I don't see the point in talking about something that's been decided. Fred wouldn't consider for a moment any idea that would see the lifetime license for PureBasic rescinded. He just wouldn't, so my advice is forget it and embrace the reality.