Windows 8 upgrade rant..GRRRR

[Fangbeast]

so I don't want to spam this thread with all my

Hell, be my guest!! I started this thread and everyone spammed the crap out of it but more or less stayed on topic about windows 8 (grin).

Feel free to add more spam!!! Yummy stuff!!

P.S My windows 8 is humming along like a bee's pyjamas! I'm as happy as a pig in sh**!!! Or to be more politically correct:

I am as happy as a pork person of small stature in his wrinkle reducing facial salon hole!!

[Danilo]

But I can tell you that today at work a customer actually paid us 348 dollars just to downgrade Windows 8 to Windows 7.

Ha! Just reminded me something. After playing with Win95 for a while, I was actually going back to MS DOS for another 2 or 3 years.

BTW: I don't use MS DOS anymore...

Looking the future visions videos, I see a master plan and understand.

After writing this lines yesterday, I was going to work. While driving through the night and thinking about the master plan
I was talking about... it was brought home to me: There is a repeating pattern.
1.) "After playing with Win95 for a while, I was actually going back to MS DOS for another 2 or 3 years."
2.) "After playing with .NET for a while, I was actually going back to PureBasic for another 2 or 3 years."

OMG, how blind can one be?

Everything is so clear now, after I watched those future vision videos (1,2,4,5) again and again yesterday.
All the new stuff and platforms Microsoft developed over the last 10+ years, the Kinect stuff, using Visual Studio
for developing for XBox, Windows Phone, classic Desktop Apps, New UI tablet apps and games.
I did not fully understand how to use all the new technologies to full extend, because I looked at all those devices
as separate entities. A gaming box, a smartphone, classic PCs and new tablets.
It is one of the reasons I came back to PureBasic. The other reason was, nobody wanted this .NET stuff anyway.
I loved it, but If my potential future customers all hate .NET, they would not buy the software I create with .NET -
so it does not make much sense to continue using .NET to write my software.
On the other side, WinAPI style programming is a dead end road. I can't program my Windows Phone with WinAPI style,
I can't write software for the new tablets with WinAPI style. I am limited to code classic desktop apps for x86/x64 hardware.
Doesn't run on my phone, doesn't run on RT tablets, doesn't run on XBox.

But now, everything came together for me in those videos! It was the missing link for me!

Their message is so simple: connect everything together!

Microsoft gave us all the new technologies, cloud services, new devices, and a development environment to develop
for all of those stuff. All in one package. Connect everything together, and we actually have the future shown in those videos!
How could I have missed that link, as it is such a simple message? They give us the tools, and now it is our part to
use the tools and make the future visions become reality!
All big boys do it already. Microsoft, Adobe, Google, Amazon, ... they create a new world, and I just didn't understand it fully. Until now!

[Lord]

After reading the last posting there was one thought in my mind:
"Are you brain washed by MicroSoft?"

[Danilo]

After reading the last posting there was one thought in my mind:
"Are you brain washed by MicroSoft?"

No. What part of my posting made you think that? Was it where I said I can't run my WinAPI style programs on my Phone?

What is your vision for the future? Going with Apple? With Google? With all at the same time, using 25 different development environments
for all platforms? Staying with XP and just wait for the end?

[the.weavster]

Since the surface supports the new "Start screen" tiled "touchscreen" layout, which is what most of the uninformed complain about for win8 on the desktop, I personally don't see how you could go wrong with one. BTW, the "lack" of the startmenu on a win 8 desktop is NO problem at all. Once you use it (the new layout), you'll find yourself appreciating it's simplicity.

So anybody who disagrees with you must be 'uninformed'? The maker of this video spells out at some length what he dislikes about Windows 8. I wouldn't say he's 'uninformed', he just doesn't like it.

[fsw]

I tested Windows 8 for one month and not all was bad:

The only two good things I experienced:
1.) Booting time was fast
2.) The Modern UI interface isn't that bad once you know how to use it (it's just different...)

The worst three I experienced (don't have the time to write all others up...):
1.) Placed my own links on specific location on the Modern UI interface and every time I added a new one Windows rearranged the whole section (maybe this behavior can be set somewhere but didn't find anything to control this behavior)
2.) You can't work solely on Modern UI, you have to switch to the classic desktop back and forth all the time (this was so annoying... especially the MS internet clients; Windows 8 imposed website restrictions on 95% of websites I visited killed my intent to like Windows 8 ...)
3.) Even Microsoft's own applications that come with Windows 8 are a mix of both worlds. (Modern UI and Classic...)

@Microsoft:
If YOU believe in something then do it right, create an operating system where all apps that come with it work 100% on Modern UI and have the classic desktop there only for 3rd party legacy apps. Windows 8 is not selling well because YOU didn't give yourself enough time to do it right with your own applications. If YOU don't know how to do it right (with all different apps you have to convert to Modern UI) then YOU have to rethink if the Modern UI is the right user interface.

my $0.02

BTW: I suppose that 80% of Windows 8 users actually work 100% of the time on the classic desktop. So they are actually working on Windows 7Ex.

[utopiomania]

I like win 8, but spend most of the time in the classic desktop, and develop for Android..

[tj1010]

8 is 7 with most of it's subsystem ran through newer MS compilers and modifications to HyperV and Kernel for visualization and security that has proven worthless practically and conceptually... Oh and the new start menu that uses meta data for the app integrations. I do like the sandbox for apps though...

No ISOs or service packs means at least 130% more overhead and costs on average for enterprise users and literally no support for personal and SOHO recoveries... Service packs and public ISOs were probably a working Admins idea, that stuff needs designed by disconnected doctorates and marketing people.. How do you make a business model around updates? force people to pay for new install media and repair services? How do they explain service packs though, it costs their volume and retail license holders more time and money, 130% more on average for typical volume license holders!?

[BorisTheOld]

Of course, 100 years from now none of this will be of concern to any of us.

Except for my mother who seems to have discovered the secret of immortality.

[tj1010]

Of course, 100 years from now none of this will be of concern to any of us.

Except for my mother who seems to have discovered the secret of immortality.

Strokes his beard of wisdom has he shakes his head at the people who run from the TNT with a lit fuse he is standing next to... Patience is a virtue children, flesh and blood are but material assets

[Zach]

Does anyone have a link to a Windows 8 Upgrade ISO 64 bit that I can download because I have a license I paid for?? MS are a bunch of DIC******.

You can use the license with any Windows 8 Pro ISO.

Thanks but I bit the bullet.

Grabbed that blank drive again, whacked it in.

Installed my windows 7 ultimate (yet again), activated it. Did not add/install/update anything, absolutely nothing!!

Threw the upgrade program onto that drive from a meory key and ran it. 3 hours later, the blo*** think finished and allowed me to save an ISO file this time.

5 gig (half of that wasted on the first download), 8 hours out of my life and more grey hairs. Now I just need to see if I can reproduce a installable flash drive from the hidden ESD directory than contains all the files.

The ISO is burning as I type. YAY!! Now I can go back to releasing another version of my program:):)

Wasn't there a recalled Windows Update that actually caused corrupting of Internet downloads? Maybe that's why it was borking on your more heavily used install?

[Danilo]

Microsoft is making it's future visions become true. It is just the first step.

http://www.microsoft.com/office/labs/index.html > FUTURE VISION (7 Videos, newest to oldest)

Just give it some more time...

Bill Gates Speaks at Carnegie Mellon University (2008)

Watch the Video: Bill Gates Unplugged: On Software, Innovation, Entrepreneurship, and Giving Back (48 minutes)

Displays on the walls everywhere, touch input, pen input, speech input, managing big data in the future, connect everything, ... interesting speech in my opinion.


'The Last Lecture' by Randy Pausch: "Really achieving your childhood dreams"
- http://www.cmu.edu/homepage/computing/2 ... gacy.shtml
- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ji5_MqicxSo