PureBasic or Q7Basic?

[marc_256]

I use only the PB-IDE for all my developments,
project is now in total more than 800000 lines long.
The only thing I miss is a 'split window mode' like I used in DOS/QB45 (BRIEF editor)
So I use notepad++ in the upper part of the screen and PB-ide in the lower part of the screen.

Marc,

[srod]

800000 lines!!!



Jeepers! I hope you have some comments in amongst that lot!

[marc_256]

Hi srod,

Comment lines are longer than command lines

You can follow the item here
http://www.purebasic.fr/english/viewtop ... 42fdd73905

There I was only about 750000 lines

[srod]

You've written 50000 lines of code since that earlier thread!

Hell's bell's; I've managed about 4 lines of code in that same time; and 3 of them are buggy!

[spacebuddy]

Tried Q7Basic, takes forever to compile and the size of the executable is huge.

PB is much better in speed and size.

[karmacomposer]

Tried Q7Basic, takes forever to compile and the size of the executable is huge.

PB is much better in speed and size.

Yup.

Already bought PureBasic and LOVE it!

Mike

[Robynsveil]

Oh, yeah, and PureBasic has a forum that is currently active.

Q7Basic's forum may be active, but it's been WEEKS and they have not activated my forum registration. I cannot ask questions there yet.

Not good.

Mike

Oh dear. And I've already purchased licences for two platforms... no registration keys either. This bodes ill - perhaps I should stop payment... did this with PayPal.
I've sent two emails: one to sales@ the other, to Bernd himself (got the email address from Whois). How can people be so slack?

[nospam]

Oh dear. And I've already purchased licences for two platforms... no registration keys either. This bodes ill - perhaps I should stop payment... did this with PayPal.
I've sent two emails: one to sales@ the other, to Bernd himself (got the email address from Whois). How can people be so slack?

I suggest you take a closer look at their forums... http://www.q7basic.org/forum/search.php ... unanswered

It looks like nobody's been home for months. Perhaps you should contact PayPal.

[Robynsveil]

Oh dear. And I've already purchased licences for two platforms... no registration keys either. This bodes ill - perhaps I should stop payment... did this with PayPal.
I've sent two emails: one to sales@ the other, to Bernd himself (got the email address from Whois). How can people be so slack?

I suggest you take a closer look at their forums... http://www.q7basic.org/forum/search.php ... unanswered

It looks like nobody's been home for months. Perhaps you should contact PayPal.

That's what I was afraid of. Thanks for that - might have to do that. I was hoping to migrate my VBA app from Excel to a stand-alone app... wondering now if that's even feasible. PureBasic looks more like a hard-core system with a gazzilion options but a bit over-kill for what I want to do: create a few simple forms that use SQLite instead of of Excel for the data.

Thanks for your suggestion... going to need to follow through on that.

[MachineCode]

I suggest you take a closer look at their forums... http://www.q7basic.org/forum/search.php ... unanswered

Wow, I did some browsing of the wish list and bug reports and PureBasic just blows it away!

[nospam]

I suggest you take a closer look at their forums... http://www.q7basic.org/forum/search.php ... unanswered

Wow, I did some browsing of the wish list and bug reports and PureBasic just blows it away!

Yes, however its form editor blows PB's form editor into the weeds.

[Robynsveil]

Bottom line, though, is that if it is no longer supported, feature list won't really count for much. I've sent emails to the bloke and to the business without reply... wonder if something has happened to him.
And I can't log on to the forum to ask, either...

Would it be a rude question to ask whether one such as I who hasn't really done hardly anything in real Visual Basic, but only in VBA would find your tool to do much good? or would the learning curve be fairly steep?
My goal is to create a stand-alone SQLite-driven app for - initially - Windows and Linux, primarily Linux (perhaps Mac... perhaps). I'm fairly comfortable doing SQL stuff but might need a bit of help with doing stand-alone stuff (since Excel takes care of a lot in VBA).

Thanks to all who offer opinions...

[nospam]

Bottom line, though, is that if it is no longer supported, feature list won't really count for much.

True.

wonder if something has happened to him.

That was my first thought.

Would it be a rude question to ask whether one such as I who hasn't really done hardly anything in real Visual Basic, but only in VBA would find your tool to do much good? or would the learning curve be fairly steep?

It's not rude at all. I have many years of professional development behind me and have just moved to Linux from Window$ because of Win8 - a horrble thing it is. There isn't much of a step between VB and VBA. As for going to PB, I had an awful lot of trouble with the Linux form editor; it's a bug-riddled beta. I've had to design my screens in PB 4.6.1 on Window$ inside a virtual machine just to make progress. However once the screen code was generated, it only took looking at a few examples to work out how events worked. From there, the rest should fall into place easily. Don't get me wrong about PB, it's very powerful, and fast. It's just a shame that Fred chose to include the beta form designer in PB5. There was no designer in the Linux version before then, I believe, so I assume the form editor was quickly bolted on just to 'get it out there'.

Anyway, that said, my screens are designed and now I can get down to doing some coding. Like you, I'm a beginner with PB, less than one week's experience - and the bulk of that was simply fighting with the PB5 form editor, which is not documented, btw. It's different, but the BASIC syntax is familiar. The only real annoyance with the languge is the use of the word 'gadget' for controls, 'String' for text boxes, 'Text' for labels and so on. It seems as if words used in the language have been chosen deliberately to avoid the most common names former Window$ programmers would likely be used to.

Thanks to all who offer opinions...

Beware. Opinions require no basis in fact or truth and need not be based on any knowledge of any kind.

My opinion is that you should consider PB. The only other real alternative on Linux is Mono, which is a Linux implementation of .NET, however the Mono IDE only supports C#, which isn't hard to learn if you're proficient in VB.NET; they're exactly the same except they have differently structured language constructs. I chose to go with PB out of boredom with VB and C#; it offers me the opportunity to learn something new.

If you decide to go with PB for Linux, you'd be well advised to install Window$ XP or 7 in a virtual machine and do your screen work there using the older 4.6.1 PB. That's the best advice I can give you.

[MachineCode]

its form editor blows PB's form editor into the weeds.

For Linux maybe; not for Windows. Fred has already told you that the Linux form editor is coming soon. Besides, a superior editor in a dead language is still just a dead editor.

The only real annoyance with the languge is the use of the word 'gadget' for controls, 'String' for text boxes, 'Text' for labels and so on

These words came from PureBasic's Amiga roots, and they've never changed. It's hardly a show-stopper or reason to buy something else. You can always make your own Residents file with macros to change any keywords to your own liking.

[nospam]

its form editor blows PB's form editor into the weeds.

For Linux maybe; not for Windows.

Have you used Q7's form editor? I have...

Fred has already told you that the Linux form editor is coming soon.

And Q7's now apparently dead form editor will still blow PB's form editor into the weeds for years to come.

Besides, a superior editor in a dead language is still just a dead editor.

That point has already been conceded.

The only real annoyance with the languge is the use of the word 'gadget' for controls, 'String' for text boxes, 'Text' for labels and so on

These words came from PureBasic's Amiga roots, and they've never changed. It's hardly a show-stopper or reason to buy something else. You can always make your own Residents file with macros to change any keywords to your own liking.

The poster asked for opinion. I gave one. Considering what opinions are, it's as valid as the next opinion.