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 Post subject: Windows for ARM ... PB for ARM ?
PostPosted: Wed Dec 22, 2010 2:08 am 
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"At CES next month, Microsoft will reportedly unveil a full-featured version of Windows that runs on ARM processors--a big departure from the x86 architecture."
http://news.cnet.com/8301-10805_3-20026344-75.html

Would a Windows version of PB for ARM be of interest anyone?


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 22, 2010 2:14 am 
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...sources familiar with Microsoft's plans said this version of Windows will continue to work on x86 processors

The above quote from the referenced article may make such an eventuality (i.e PB for ARM) much more likely.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 22, 2010 2:22 am 
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It would potentially be of great interest to those working on single board computers.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 22, 2010 4:55 pm 
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USCode wrote:
Would a Windows version of PB for ARM be of interest anyone?

Yes, but a Linux ARM version of PB would be even much more interesting. As there are a ton of devices out there that run Linux.


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If I understand what Fred has stated in the past about the modular nature of PB, supporting additional architectures is not trivial but very do-able.


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 23, 2010 10:05 am 
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USCode wrote:
"At CES next month, Microsoft will reportedly unveil a full-featured version of Windows that runs on ARM processors--a big departure from the x86 architecture."
http://news.cnet.com/8301-10805_3-20026344-75.html

Would a Windows version of PB for ARM be of interest anyone?

I think so,because in general every language just call win API in the end,except ASM,if the API support it,PB support it .it seems PB's libs are written in VC,which calls API?

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 23, 2010 11:23 am 
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It's all irrelevant. If Fred & Co decide to support it, it will happen. If they decide against it, it won't.

I guess they only would dig in if the (commercial) opportunity is big enough. It makes me wonder though... Are all those new tablets created equal, ie. are they all using the same Arm processors, or is there a multitude of different CPU's around?

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leonhardt wrote:
I think so,because in general every language just call win API in the end,except ASM,if the API support it,PB support it .it seems PB's libs are written in VC,which calls API?

It's not that easy.
The compiler need to be rewritten to generate ARM code.

btw: You can call API functions in ASM like in any other language. And code is not just API calls.

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Are all those new tablets created equal, ie. are they all using the same Arm processors, or is there a multitude of different CPU's around?

They are not using the same processors. But there are only 2 mainly used architectures: ARM and MIPS and you can skip MIPS because it's only used in some gaming handhelds. Most smartphones, tablets and some gaming handhelds use CPU's with ARM instruction set.


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Thorium wrote:
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Would a Windows version of PB for ARM be of interest anyone?

Yes, but a Linux ARM version of PB would be even much more interesting. As there are a ton of devices out there that run Linux.
I'd pay double the current license fee for PB for Symbian and/or Android :wink:


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Thorium wrote:
They are not using the same processors. But there are only 2 mainly used architectures: ARM and MIPS and you can skip MIPS because it's only used in some gaming handhelds.


I've also seen MIPS in a netbook.

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Confirmed: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110106/ap_ ... soft_chips
"Microsoft Corp. confirmed Wednesday that it is developing a version of its main Windows operating system that will run on cell phone chips, providing an alternative for the first time in many years to the chips based on Intel technology."


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I would second that. I would gladly pay double the license fee for PB on ARM.

I will pay even more if the compiler can be used to target OS less environments. I do a lot of development of on embedded hardware and it would be nice to have access to PB libraries and commands.


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I would like to add:

The dominant computing platform, in terms of usage, may pretty soon be smartphones. It would be great if we can expand to that.

Mark Sibly is about to release a follow on to BlitzMax, BlitzMax2 or BMX2. BMX2 supposedly runs everywhere. It does only 2D graphics, but it is an indicator of the trend.


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Would the fact that Microsoft is working to port Windows to ARM and that this is available: http://arm.flatassembler.net/ make creating a version of PB for ARM for Windows any more likely?


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USCode wrote:
Would the fact that Microsoft is working to port Windows to ARM and that this is available: http://arm.flatassembler.net/ make creating a version of PB for ARM for Windows any more likely?

I dont think so.


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