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Check out the new N900 from Nokia on Youtube. It not only looks good as hell but also has features such
as charging via USB, 32gb internal memory with mass storage access, FM transmitter, 3.5mm headphone
jack, Linux (Meamo 5), multithreading, no restrictions on software, detachable battery, GPS, a Hires touch
screen and software that seems to react almost instantly. Codecs ets.. I like this.

The N900 is going to be my new phone. :)
This pretty much sums it up
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I dont get it, what is the reason for this handy mania?
Im so happy that my handy can make calls and send sms. And I can even live without that. Why do I need internet etc everywhere? Is it really so important?
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Impressive! Does PB have Qt bindings on Linux. :wink:

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gnasen wrote:I dont get it, what is the reason for this handy mania?
Im so happy that my handy can make calls and send sms.
You do know that you are not required to purchase a N900. :wink:

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I dont say that everyone has to stuck on his things if they do their work. Its okay to purchase newer things for fun, I think everyone does it. But I think people really exaggerate by handys. Every months tons of new handys reach the market and are bought like hell. And no one needs to purchase every month a new handy, but there are so many people who do that.

This is madness!
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utopiomania wrote:Check out the new N900 from Nokia on Youtube. It not only looks good as hell but also has features such
as charging via USB, 32gb internal memory with mass storage access, FM transmitter, 3.5mm headphone
jack, Linux (Meamo 5), multithreading, no restrictions on software, detachable battery, GPS, a Hires touch
screen and software that seems to react almost instantly. Codecs ets.. I like this.
But does it look pretty and have a nice logo? Nobody buys the iPhone because of it's features (the ones it has don't work well), it's just bling - it's the sovereign ring of the nerd.
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> Why do I need internet etc everywhere? Is it really so important?

Yes, for some people. I travel by train to work, one hour each way. I'd love to be surfing the net and reading my emails during that dead time, rather than doing it when I get home when my kids want my attention. What else can I be doing on the train instead?
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PB wrote:
Yes, for some people. I travel by train to work, one hour each way. I'd love to be surfing the net and reading my emails during that dead time, rather than doing it when I get home when my kids want my attention. What else can I be doing on the train instead?
Ahhhh, one of the pod people :)

Actual face-to-face interaction with other people? Conversation with other people? Read a newspaper? Read a book? :)
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SFSxOI wrote:
PB wrote:
Yes, for some people. I travel by train to work, one hour each way. I'd love to be surfing the net and reading my emails during that dead time, rather than doing it when I get home when my kids want my attention. What else can I be doing on the train instead?
Ahhhh, one of the pod people :)

Actual face-to-face interaction with other people? Conversation with other people? Read a newspaper? Read a book? :)
Exactly - dead time. :twisted:

I don't think people understand the implications - it's a mobile computer that can send and receive phone calls.

The down side is that it's an ARM processor - no PB :cry:
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SFSxOI wrote:
PB wrote:
Actual face-to-face interaction with other people? Conversation with other people? Read a newspaper? Read a book? :)
Conversation with people in reality?... Are you crazy? :mrgreen:
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man -... everyone talks about this thing called "Reality" .. is it really so important ? :mrgreen:

Whats that anyway ?
i mean the world is just ONE!+!!+0+!0ne

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Foz wrote:I don't think people understand the implications - it's a mobile computer that can send and receive phone calls.

The down side is that it's an ARM processor - no PB :cry:
OK no PB, but Nokia are giving away everything you need to get going, even a free downloadable book on Qt programming with C++ to get you started: http://www.qtrac.eu/C++-GUI-Programming ... 1st-ed.zip

And you can develop for your old S60 phone as well as the fancy new Maemo ones: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKJsnUluU2E

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Well, I for one is in love with my iPhone. I tried just about every single touchscreen phone on the market and it simply has the best touchscreen and user interface, IMHO. I tested HTC's and Nokia's top models, too, and the iPhone was simply the one i liked the best. Even though it didn't have the best camera etc. (IMHO the hardware keyboard on the nokia N97 wasn't worth a lot, and the touchscreen sucked compared to the iphone. I hope they worked on those things for the N900). I know its not as open as the others but TBH i don't care. I've found everything i needed either on it already or in the store (which is much better to use than i had thought. Great comment system.).

I use internet on the phone every day; For the university (schedules etc), for checking mails from the university, for corresponding with work etc. I read pdf's from next/previous lectures with it and so on. I also use it to look up things when i'm not near the computer; Its pretty handy to carry google & wikipedia in your pocket. Its no doubt saving me a lot of precious time every day, I can barely imagine not having a browser in my pocket any more. I do agree that not all people needs this, but it has certainly done a very noticable difference in my life.

Nobody buys the iPhone because of it's features (the ones it has don't work well), it's just bling
Heck, i must be darned stupid to spend days looking AND trying all the touchphones i could find in several phone stores all over the city and reading a large amount of reviews on the internet and then ending up with an iPhone, i guess. Face it, apple has done a magnifficent job designing a great touchscreen AND a great system beneath. It just works together much better than anything else currently on the market (and fulfilled my requirements, such as GPS, easy syncronization with outlook etc). The dualtouch screen (for instance for selecting text and zooming with two fingers) is also a wonderfull thing, its a very powerfull way to navigate websites.

Another comment, i've never been dissapointed with a phone from nokia and i've had a bunch so far. But their touchscreen models just haven't impressed me so far, no matter how it looks on paper. Also, i'm not a huge apple fan, and i hate the fanboys. But i do enjoy my iPod and iPhone a lot.
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thefool wrote:Well, I for one is in love with my iPhone. I tried just about every single touchscreen phone on the market and it simply has the best touchscreen and user interface
The interface is nice and users are so seduced by it the fail to see beyond it. Mind you I'm not that impressed with the touch screen, it seems to register a touch before my finger has actually made contact with it which is bloody infuriating when you're trying to type an e-mail on that dreadful little virtual keyboard. A touch screen may be good for games but it's not that useful for work. The fact the new Nokia has a proper keyboard with real buttons on it adds to the appeal for me.

Here's just a few of my iPhone's limitations:
The browser's US (Jobs sneers about the 'mini web' and then includes a browser like that. Muppet) Also surfing eats the battery alive and you can't even swap over to a spare.
The camera's US
Even the phone's US
You can not attach your iPhone to your computer and see the files in the standard file browser. I would also like to use mine to read *.PDFs but I would either have to set up a wireless network or upload them to my web space from my PC and then download them on my iPhone via the browser - imho that's just silly.
There's no SD slot
It's likely to explode in your pocket and roast your conkers
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I'm a CrackBerry addict and recently upgraded to the wonderful BlackBerry Curve 8900 (Javelin), however I did have an iPhone for a month to try out; let me try get this straight:

a) There are many different touch screens implemented, Apple's design is only one. Texting is fast on the iPhone once you get used to it, but I for one do love the feel when I press a button; can't really use the iPhone to get that feeling... However, Research in Motion have developed what is called SurePress technology for the BlackBerry Storm series of touch screen devices. SurePress is like the iPhone's touch screen, but you can indeed push the whole screen down like a button and your "touch" is registered on the device once actually pushing the screen like a button. This way you can have both the benefits of touch screen technology and "real" buttons. The initial revision of SurePress wasn't that amazing though, but the upcoming BlackBerry Storm2 (coming REALLY soon) sounds like something you should take a look at. Meanwhile read the review @ CrackBerry: http://crackberry.com/blackberry-storm2-review

b) Mind you not only Nokia phones have both a touch screen and a real keyboard... What about Palm Pre, HTC? If you really can't live without a real keyboard maybe buy a phone without touch screen technology? You know, touch is the future but not for everyone, don't blame it just because you don't find it comfortable. Touch does have its advantages.

c) The iPhone browser is one of the best if not the very best right now. Pages load up quick and fast and it is really good at rendering complex websites as well. Saying the Safari browser on iPhone is bad is like saying Firefox on PC is bad. It is really that good. If you have ever used a BlackBerry you'll notice the moment you open up the browser that it is simply put a piece of ****. Thank God there is Opera Mini for us CrackBerry addicts (oh and the new BOLT browser is out too!). I've had my share of fun with Symbian and Maemo as well and to be honest the Safari on the iPhone beats them hands down.

d) Ok, maybe you can't exchange the battery, but you have to admit the build quality of the iPhone is really good. The battery door is one of those things that tend to break very easily no matter how well they are implemented. Having that said and the fact that the iPhone battery does in fact last long, this is only a minor con. Of course for those long travels where you have just one bar left of battery life while in the train, it is handy to just swap in a spare battery, but then again the application for such requirements are very different and the iPhone is a consumer device anyway. BlackBerry/HTC/Palm for your business critical needs.

e) The camera is just fine on the iPhone... sure no flash like on my Curve 8900, but definitely a great camera for those snapshots in situations which come very unexpected and you just don't have a real camera with you in that very moment. The iPhone records excellent video too; dare I say even better than my BlackBerry. Like one friend said to me once, "a camera is not about the megapixels, it's about everything else in it". Then again we're looking at something like Canon EOS 7D or Mamiya... way above the application of phone cameras.

f) It is true that you can not simply attach the iPhone to your computer via USB and have it act as a Mass Storage device. There is no expandable memory option either. Well, I can live with that. There's a reason that iPhone is sold currently as a 16GB and 32GB model; so you already have plenty of space you're not likely fill up that quick. The idea with smartphones currently is that you buy them with a contract and that contract usually also includes a flat rate for data traffic. Many iPhone and BlackBerry users for instance just pay for unlimited data on the go and use services like MobileMe to synchronize everything over the air so your files are on your PC, smartphone and out there in a "cloud"; accessible anytime anywhere. I like that idea, no need to carry a USB cable around. Again the iPhone is a consumer device and so you might not like the way how it operates, but then again you are in a different market looking at a device for another market. Have a look at BlackBerry? I know I maybe have put that up a few times but BlackBerrys do indeed support MicroSDHC up to 32GB so just slam in a big memory card for your documents, personal files and what not. Yes you can use this as normal Mass Storage with your PC and BlackBerrys use standard USB cabling (microUSB to be precise, earlier devices have miniUSB) so if you don't happen to have a cable with you it is likely you can buy one in the shop next door (I had to do this when I travelled to Bulgaria and had all my documents required for a presentation on my BlackBerry and of course since I was abroad I didn't feel like paying the roaming charges for transferring multiple MB of data).

I know this sounds like an advertisement of BlackBerry devices, but please understand I am a true CrackBerry addict and I feel like we are in the same market (prosumer/professional) so maybe you might want to jump over to www.blackberry.com ? Last thing to note is that any current generation BlackBerry device will have an update soon to OS 5.0, which will bring lots of new features but most importantly all these features will be available no matter what form factor your new BlackBerry has (be it touch screen like Storm, a flip phone like Pearl Flip, full QWERTY like Curve 8900 / BOLD / Tour). Now that the new trackpad is out (Cuve 8520 introduced it to the public), you might want to hold out a bit for the new BlackBerry Bold 9700. I'll tell you it's going to be an awesome device! Of course that is if you want a full QWERTY and not touch screen ;)

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The browser's US (Jobs sneers about the 'mini web' and then includes a browser like that. Muppet) Also surfing eats the battery alive and you can't even swap over to a spare.
The camera's US
Even the phone's US
You can not attach your iPhone to your computer and see the files in the standard file browser. I would also like to use mine to read *.PDFs but I would either have to set up a wireless network or upload them to my web space from my PC and then download them on my iPhone via the browser - imho that's just silly.
There's no SD slot
It's likely to explode in your pocket and roast your conkers
I still don't think you've spent enough time with the iPhone to say this about it. Texting is quick as lightning, i've written several mails on it with no problem.
I do agree on the point about using it as a mass storage device, though, but as talisman says there are easy solutions for that. Its not like i've ever used the nokia's for that ever anyway, and all the pdf's i'm reading i just download from the internet.

@Talisman: Nice to see that some people here have actually tried the phone :)
And yeah, the battery life is impressive. I use it rather extensively and i don't have a word to set on the battery life. I never felt like it was a problem that i couldn't switch the battery. The camea is just ok as you say, but then again compared to the cameras you list, and the eos 40d i'm usually using or even the eos 350d and ixus i have no phone camera even comes close. I'm not a fan of taking shitty pictures of everything anyway, but of course i'm happy it has a camera for the rare times i need it. And the browser is wonderfull.

I hope blackberry is more prominent here in the EU next time i'm looking at phones, can't really work without a model designed for the danish language (3 extra characters.). Currently they don't really have any market share. But i'll be watching :)
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