Micro$oft's roadmap from a different perspective

Thomas · Post by **Thomas** » Sat May 31, 2003 9:54 am

If you have some time and are interested in some serious thoughts about the future of Windoze and Micro$oft in general, you should read the following article:

http://www.aaxnet.com/editor/edit029.html

TronDoc · Post by **TronDoc** » Sun Jun 01, 2003 7:19 pm

lots of interesting reading there..
..I got lost for over an hour.

The successor to Windows XP (due in 2004, and rapidly slipping to 2005) is currently code named Longhorn, and it will not be compatible with your existing software, hardware or methods. Microsoft has already stated that backward compatibility will not be a design feature.

Some expect the name Windows will be dropped completely. The antitrust agreement with the Bush DoJ specifically states "Microsoft Windows" throughout. By maintaining incompatibility (already planned due to design considerations), making it look different and calling it something else, Microsoft can free itself from antitrust oversight. "It's not Windows, it's a different product - the agreement doesn't apply."

I wish I could get PureBasic working on my Linux box.
If someone could come up with a step-by-step-for-dummies
tutorial; I'd really appreciate it.

Joe

PB · Post by PB » Mon Jun 02, 2003 10:59 am

> The successor to Windows XP (due in 2004, and rapidly slipping to
> 2005) is currently code named Longhorn, and it will not be compatible
> with your existing software, hardware or methods.

I seriously doubt anyone will take to it. If it truly breaks all existing PC
software in the world, then what's the point? I'll just get a Mac instead,
seeing as I have to restart from scratch now. They can't afford and/or
risk that type of customer (and developer) response.

dmoc · Post by **dmoc** » Mon Jun 02, 2003 11:37 am

> I wish I could get PureBasic working on my Linux box

What problem are you having? I found it very easy to install on Linux. I'm hoping the next release means I can actually start transferring some of my code over.

tinman · Post by **tinman** » Mon Jun 02, 2003 2:32 pm

PB wrote:I seriously doubt anyone will take to it. If it truly breaks all existing PC
software in the world, then what's the point? I'll just get a Mac instead,
seeing as I have to restart from scratch now. They can't afford and/or
risk that type of customer (and developer) response.

The point is they will not get bogged down with all the legacy crap that is currently carried around. In theory this will lead to a smaller and more efficient OS, and possibly can be implemented in better ways. You'd then not be cursing as to why your 2.4GHz PC seems to run at the same speed as your 1GHz.

I'd think MS wouldn't be so silly as to completely break everything under the sun. They may include some sort of emulator so you can run all your old applications, without the older OS impinging on the new one.

TronDoc · Post by **TronDoc** » Mon Jun 02, 2003 7:50 pm

dmoc wrote:> I wish I could get PureBasic working on my Linux box
What problem are you having? I found it very easy to install on Linux. I'm hoping the next release means I can actually start transferring some of my code over.

I think it is installed, but I can't seem to get it to do
anything. I don't Know if it's permissions or what. I'm not as familiar with
Linux as I hope to be. I will try again when I get a chance. I just don't know
if I've left some remenants of my last attempt scattered all over the file
system

Thanks. Joe

dmoc · Post by **dmoc** » Mon Jun 02, 2003 8:09 pm

Joe, if you still get problems come back with the details. I'm betting it's a 2 min job to fix. It probably is permissions related but without more details I can't be sure.

fsw · Post by **fsw** » Tue Jun 03, 2003 3:25 am

@ Thomas:
Thanks very much for this link.
It describes IMO very well the status quo and the way M$ and the computer industry is moving.

I wish I was a carpenter...

@ Joe:
Don't know which distro you used but I have one tip:
http://morphix.sourceforge.net
it uses the Knoppix autoconfig (excellent!) and detects all hardware automatically, and you can choose between a Morphix LightGUI version (200MB) or bigger versions: Morphix Game, Morphix HeavyGUI (including the kitchen sink!) and Morphix KDE.
I work with the lightGUI version (IceWm as Window Manager (new version has XFCE4), Phoenix Browser, AbiWord and some apps more...) and added the required SDLdev and GTKdev (don't forget the GCC linker) stuff for PureBasic.
This is a neat distro and if you use the LIGHT version as starting point you don't get stuff that you don't need. (I dislike bloatware!)
The best thing, it's a LiveCD (like Knoppix) but there is a Menu Option:
"Install to HardDisk" (not found at Knoppix)
It's Debian based, so you can use "apt-get" to install the needed stuff.
Now the only thing you need is a Broadband Internet Connection (for the 200MB) and have fun

TronDoc · Post by **TronDoc** » Tue Jun 03, 2003 2:17 pm

fsw wrote:@ Joe:
Don't know which distro you used but I have one tip:
http://morphix.sourceforge.net ....Now the only thing you need is a Broadband Internet Connection (for the 200MB) and have fun

I have Red Hat installed (7.1 I think) Thank you for the tip. I will check into it. DSL here so 200MB doesn't take too long <evil grin> Joe

fsw · Post by **fsw** » Thu Jun 05, 2003 1:33 am

@ Joe
I went for you through a new Morphix install.
1.) Put the Morphix Live CD in.
2.) Go to the Morphix Menu and choose "Install Morphix to harddisk"

If the installation went well (it should... test with Phoenix if you have Internet connection) than:

3.) Go to the Morphix Menu and choose "Root Console" and type your root password in.

4.) Now you get a terminal window with root rights and you can install PB using tar.
tar -xvvzf YourPureBasicFileName.tar

5.) Install/Get SDL using apt-get from Debian:
apt-get install SDL1.2-dev

6.) Install/Get GTK using apt-get from Debian:
apt-get install GTK1.2-dev

7.) Install/Get the GNU linker (gcc base 5 or 12MB) using apt-get from Debian:
apt-get install gcc

8.) Follow the PureBasic Install file:
copy fasm and pbcompiler to /usr/bin/
and the PureBasic directory to /usr/share/

Thats it.
Now you should have a working PureBasic installation.
Go to the PureBasic Examples directory and type

pbcompiler Menu.pb

and have fun.
(well if you have fun using the command line...)

TronDoc · Post by **TronDoc** » Sat Jun 07, 2003 2:36 pm

Thank you for taking the time to do a step-by-step instruction.
I couldn't get the Morphix CD to come up right.
It looks like it doesn't like my Logitech wheel-mouse.
That's pretty weird since I know I had the Knoppix CD
running on the same PC awhile back.

I will try using your instructions on my Red Hat box.

Joe

dmoc · Post by **dmoc** » Sat Jun 07, 2003 4:31 pm

Joe, is it a ps2, serial or usb mouse? I've had loads of probs with ps2 (reported by other's as well) but no prob with serial. Don't know about USB. I can usually get ps2 working once everything is installed but for actual installation I always stick with a serial mouse now.

fsw · Post by **fsw** » Sat Jun 07, 2003 7:34 pm

TronDoc wrote: I will try using your instructions on my Red Hat box.

Joe

Sorry Joe, you can't use them for Red Hat.
the program apt-get is AFAIK only available on Debian based distros...

TronDoc · Post by **TronDoc** » Sat Jun 07, 2003 10:32 pm

it shows up as ps2 in windoze..
..it's the same one I used
with the regular Knoppix though.

I'll try a few things...
--jb