Sarkozy or Royal?

ricardo · Post by **ricardo** » Tue May 08, 2007 5:14 pm

Psychophanta wrote: @ricardo, if that what you say is true, that Sarkozy could be in fact a serious problem in my opinion for France, for Europe and for world.
The name of the book is something like "The State, The religion, the hope".
Uffhhh! Worse than Hitler and Franco together

It is a fact.

In 2004, he published a book called La République, les religions, l'espérance (“The Republic, Religions, and Hope”),which he argued that the young should not be brought up solely on secular or republican values.
He also advocated reducing the separation of church and state

Flype · Post by **Flype** » Tue May 08, 2007 6:11 pm

i think i must moderate last posts. i don't think he will do such things.
he can't reduce the separation of church and state and this was not at all in his presidential program. there's too many jobs to do (unemployment, precariousness, environment, ...).

Character · Post by **Character** » Tue May 08, 2007 8:42 pm

I don't think this son of a Hungerian immigrant will be the perfect solution for France.
But, I sincerely belief that in the end France (and the rest of Europe) is better off with him than it would be with madame Royal.
(very nice lady by the way..)
Viva la France!

Lna · Post by **Lna** » Wed May 09, 2007 5:34 am

For the second night after the election: 350 cars burned, 160 arrests.

Usually, the journalists do not speak about it voluntarily, I discover the daily number. :roll:

In France, the every day ago between 60 and 90 cars burned, except periods of crisis.
60 X 365 = 21900 cars burned per years, minimum.

Perhaps, Sarkozy was elected because of that, finally ?

The majority of the French were perhaps in the search of a sheriff.

And in the other countries, there are much cars burned, or then it became a French tradition ? :roll:

ricardo · Post by **ricardo** » Wed May 09, 2007 10:07 pm

Lna wrote: In France, the every day ago between 60 and 90 cars burned, except periods of crisis.
60 X 365 = 21900 cars burned per years, minimum.

Why?? Who??

And in the other countries, there are much cars burned, or then it became a French tradition ? :roll:

I never heard about cars burned here. I guess is more like a new french sport he he

Nik · Post by **Nik** » Wed May 09, 2007 10:15 pm

Hmm here I guess no cars are burned by youngsters^^ probably the only ones happy about this development are the car producers,

Lna · Post by **Lna** » Thu May 10, 2007 12:10 am

For the third night after the election: 200 cars burned, 80 arrests.

I think that they any more will not give the numbers now.

That are the young people in particular who burn the cars, in the large cities and the suburbs. :roll:

Justice in France is very nice. To go in jail, it is necessary to do much of it. And to get caught too. :roll:

In jail, there is no forced labour. With a little money, that can make holidays.

If somebody kills a person, it will take up to 20 years.
If somebody kills several people, it will take up to 20 years too.

Slaughter is in promotion, here. Then why deprive itself.

Coolman · Post by **Coolman** » Thu May 10, 2007 11:18 am

Voter pour sarko democratiquement, il faut le faire

, ce type est un cowboy tout comme bu$h, dommage, j'aimais bien sego, bon on a que ce qu'on merite :roll:

desolé d'ecrire en francais, je comprends l'anglais mais ne le maitrise pas en ecriture

milan1612 · Post by **milan1612** » Thu May 10, 2007 11:37 am

Could somebody please translate

KarLKoX · Post by **KarLKoX** » Thu May 10, 2007 10:05 pm

Character wrote:I don't think this son of a Hungerian immigrant will be the perfect solution for France.
But, I sincerely belief that in the end France (and the rest of Europe) is better off with him than it would be with madame Royal.
(very nice lady by the way..)
Viva la France!

I hope too but Sarkozy or Royal, the result will be the same, the problem is not just a political one, WE (french people) must admit that we can't continue with our privileges, we must change our minds to make concessions, here, when you want to change the law, there is a strike though how the society can change if those which make parties of them do not want it ...

ricardo · Post by **ricardo** » Thu May 10, 2007 10:37 pm

Young people that burn cars, are frenchs, inmigrants?
Whats the problem with those people? Why they burn cars?

Flype · Post by **Flype** » Fri May 11, 2007 1:42 am

ricardo wrote:Young people that burn cars, are frenchs, inmigrants?
Whats the problem with those people? Why they burn cars?

Well, yes they are french and/or immigrants - very young most of the time - between 12 years old to 25 !

The problem with those people is quite complicated.

It's because of poverty, bad social integration, bad education, bad suburbs/housings, bad life level, (very) bad relationship with policemen, because those youngs are angry about Mr Sarkozy and what he said, what he represents (authority).

It's also because here in France, in our suburbs, some youngs do not manage to integrate themselves. They are often in a school failure situation and have problem with parental authority. So those youngs are bored all the day, all the year. Finally, they are burning cars because they think it's funny or because they are angry, without any reference mark. For them, it's easier to earn money by dealing some drugs than working for peanuts.

And it's a long old french 'feature' to express our dissensions with the State by going to the street.
Unfortunately, there are always some idiots to break shop-windows, burn cars.

What a sad report but well it's the reality.
It's not a majority, France is a quiet country - except in some suburbs like in most countries.

Flype · Post by **Flype** » Fri May 11, 2007 2:03 am

ricardo wrote: [...] I never heard about cars burned here. I guess is more like a new french sport he he

Yes, i think so, it's a sort of national sport for young rebels since some years.
Those youngs knows that burning cars is a way to speak of them, it's a way to be shown on television/media.
It's also a way to compare themself to the other youngs of the other suburbs.
In my youth we were comparing our Tetris-Scores, now they are comparing there burnt-cars scores from one town to others, from one suburb to others...

KarLKoX · Post by **KarLKoX** » Fri May 11, 2007 7:55 am

Flype wrote:
ricardo wrote:Young people that burn cars, are frenchs, inmigrants?
Whats the problem with those people? Why they burn cars?
Well, yes they are french and/or immigrants - very young most of the time - between 12 years old to 25 !

[/u] like in most countries.

you confuse with the riots of suburbs, people who burned cars after the election are almost all from the extrem left : strotskiste, anarchist, echologist (the hard branch), altermondialist and some students.

Lna · Post by **Lna** » Fri May 11, 2007 12:06 pm

More than 1.500 cars set fire to in four nights in France.

Here links of the articles of press :

The first night:

Translated into English : http://translate.google.com/translate?u ... uage_tools

In French : http://www.europe1.fr/informations/arti ... rance.html

The 4th night :

Translated into English : http://translate.google.com/translate?u ... uage_tools

In French : http://www.lepoint.fr/content/france/article?id=182796