Science vs Faith

techjunkie · Post by **techjunkie** » Thu Mar 08, 2007 9:39 am

This is a good one...

[EDIT]
I'm not a stupid bastard...

So I changed the link to the original site.

Kale · Post by **Kale** » Thu Mar 08, 2007 11:32 am

Good one and very true, it's amazing that these religious nuts think that the earth is only 6,000 years old because of this process of non-thinking. :roll:

Take a look at these videos:
http://richarddawkins.net/article,303,R ... s--C-SPAN2

Did that university student say that they had dinosaur fossil exhibits which where 3,000 years old? Yep, ...so Dawkins tells him to quit and attend a proper university! lol!

Derek · Post by **Derek** » Thu Mar 08, 2007 11:53 am

Science has to be proved, but faith just IS.

Doesn't it just drive you mad!!

Kale · Post by **Kale** » Thu Mar 08, 2007 12:16 pm

Faith is belief in belief. It's total nonsense.

techjunkie · Post by **techjunkie** » Thu Mar 08, 2007 1:43 pm

Kale wrote:Faith is belief in belief. It's total nonsense.

and what about "luck"? Total nonsense, or do it exist?

Kale · Post by **Kale** » Thu Mar 08, 2007 2:10 pm

techjunkie wrote:
Kale wrote:Faith is belief in belief. It's total nonsense.
and what about "luck"? Total nonsense, or do it exist?

You make your own luck.

Kaeru Gaman · Post by **Kaeru Gaman** » Thu Mar 08, 2007 2:37 pm

you're all so funny.

if "faithless" science-only view of the world was so self-evident,
what do you all need your "missionary" passion for?

you behave exactly the same way a young monk would, but just the other way round.
science is your faith.

Derek · Post by **Derek** » Thu Mar 08, 2007 2:40 pm

Kaeru Gaman wrote:science is your faith.

If I get seriously ill I will put my faith in science and hopefully live.

Put your faith in faith and you will probably DIE.

Kale · Post by **Kale** » Thu Mar 08, 2007 2:46 pm

Kaeru Gaman wrote:science is your faith.

I have faith that science will destroy faith.

Kaeru Gaman · Post by **Kaeru Gaman** » Thu Mar 08, 2007 2:46 pm

no matter what you put your faith in, you will DIE for sure... so what?

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Kale wrote:I have faith that science will destroy faith.

"faith" is a basic function of a human brain.
"faith" is one of the things together with consciousness and free will that devide men from animals.
not any special faith itself, but the ability and the need to have faith in anything.

this is a "scientific" fact as far as psychology can considered being science...

it's still just funny... you all talking about science that way...
it's like some farmers and hobby-preachers talking about religion...

Derek · Post by **Derek** » Thu Mar 08, 2007 2:56 pm

Kaeru Gaman wrote:no matter what you put your faith in, you will DIE for sure... so what?

How do you know, what with cryogenics and medicine of the future we might all be able to live forever.

Kaeru Gaman wrote:faith is a basic function of a human brain.

Not mine.

Kale · Post by **Kale** » Thu Mar 08, 2007 3:10 pm

Kaeru Gaman wrote: "faith" is one of the things together with consciousness and free will that devide men from animals.

Nothing seperates men from other animals. They have the same emotions and thoughts, it's just humans are easier to recognise to humans.

Kaeru Gaman wrote: it's still just funny... you all talking about science that way...
it's like some farmers and hobby-preachers talking about religion...

i wouldn't call myself a farmer or hobby-preacher, but what elightens you (or anyone else) over me with regard to religion? tell me anybody on earth that that has proof and first-hand knowledge of such things. Show me someone religious that knows for a fact all of this is real and he's not just believing what he is told to believe by someone else.

Derek wrote: How do you know, what with cryogenics and medicine of the future we might all be able to live forever.

"That is not dead which can eternal lie, and with strange aeons even death may die..."
~H.P. Lovecraft~

Kaeru Gaman · Post by **Kaeru Gaman** » Thu Mar 08, 2007 3:21 pm

Kale wrote:i wouldn't call myself a farmer or hobby-preacher, but what elightens you (or anyone else) over me with regard to religion? tell me anybody on earth that that has proof and first-hand knowledge of such things. Show me someone religious that knows for a fact all of this is real and he's not just believing what he is told to believe by someone else.

read my sentence again.
you guys are in relation to science what
a "farmer or hobby-preacher" is in relation to religion.

and most of what you think about science is something you are told to believe by someone else.
...or do you claim to have build a particle accelerator on your own, to give one example of thousands?

and btw: H.P. Lovecraft wasn't a Scientist... you are quoting a Metaphysician who called himself a Magician.
...very scientific, ideed.

Kale · Post by **Kale** » Thu Mar 08, 2007 3:58 pm

Kaeru Gaman wrote:
Kale wrote:i wouldn't call myself a farmer or hobby-preacher, but what elightens you (or anyone else) over me with regard to religion? tell me anybody on earth that that has proof and first-hand knowledge of such things. Show me someone religious that knows for a fact all of this is real and he's not just believing what he is told to believe by someone else.
read my sentence again.
you guys are in relation to science what
a "farmer or hobby-preacher" is in relation to religion.

and most of what you think about science is something you are told to believe by someone else.
...or do you claim to have build a particle accelerator on your own, to give one example of thousands?

and btw: H.P. Lovecraft wasn't a Scientist... you are quoting a Metaphysician who called himself a Magician.
...very scientific, ideed.

No no no.... we are not told to believe anything about science. We are told of what experiments have taken place and what has been observed. We are also told how to replicate these experiments for ourselves if we don't take their word for it. So we can always see for ourselves. Religion doesn't do that, you are told to believe everything at face value and thats that. Your not allowed to disagree. :roll: We do not need to be scientists ourselves to accurately use science as a weapon against religion, we just point people to others' work. Take radioactive dating of fossil remains, etc.. it completey destroys any myth that the Earth was created 6,000 years ago. These types of myth busting experiments are abundant but religious types are not interested in learning such things. Why? i dunno because these are at the core of their religion and if they did take a look i guess they would feel rather foolish. Maybe it's their pride that stops them or maybe they don't want to shed that warm fuzzy feeling of being looked after by their imaginary friends?

BTW: who said H.P. Lovecraft was a scientist?

Kaeru Gaman · Post by **Kaeru Gaman** » Thu Mar 08, 2007 4:19 pm

> We are told of what experiments have taken place and what has been observed.
and you are told how it is interpreted and connected with theories.

> Your not allowed to disagree.
this is right for religion and for science.
imagine how many problems young scientists with new ideas get.

...but this discussion is ridiculous.

I just wanted to make you think a bit further by questioning your own point of view.
you may remember that this is a basic behaviour for real science, not for institutionalized science.

after all, it's without any meaning for me what you believe or not, it's just meaningfull for yourself.