#PB_OS_Windows_VISTA

dracflamloc · Post by **dracflamloc** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 6:25 pm

CompilerIf #PB_COMPILER_OS=#PB_WINDOWS_VISTA
  MessageRequester("Error","Sorry this software doesn't run on bloated OSes from monopolies.")
  End
CompilerEndIf

Shannara · Post by **Shannara** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 6:34 pm

dracflamloc wrote:

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CompilerIf #PB_COMPILER_OS=#PB_WINDOWS_VISTA
  MessageRequester("Error","Sorry this software doesn't run on bloated OSes from monopolies.")
  End
CompilerEndIf

Don't you mean

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CompilerIf #PB_COMPILER_OS=#PB_OS_Linux
  MessageRequester("Error","Sorry this software doesn't run on script kiddie OSes.")
  End
CompilerEndIf

?

btw: I second Bingo's request.

dracflamloc · Post by **dracflamloc** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 6:43 pm

Linux is a script kiddie OS?

You've got to be kidding me... tell that to all the sys admins of networks who run linux and bsd flavors for servers in their network and explain how thats script kiddie... yet how writing a vbscript in windows isn't?

Ever managed a cisco firewall? I didn't think so...

Labelling an OS as a 'script kiddie' is ignorant and stupid. I actually love Windows 2000. Its the mess that XP and now even worse, Vista has become that I hate.

Trond · Post by **Trond** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 7:29 pm

dracflamloc wrote:linux and bsd flavors

Mentioning linux and bsd in the same sentence is an insult to bsd!

dracflamloc · Post by **dracflamloc** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 7:44 pm

I'm not comparing them as the same OS. Far from it. I'm just saying the management and scripting of both are extremely similar, and hence bunching them together in my above argument makes sense... I don't know what you read too deep into but rest assured that I wasn't likening the internals of bsd to linux.

Shannara · Post by **Shannara** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 7:53 pm

And here I thought you was kidding. Calling Windows bloated is like calling Linux a script kiddie os ...

As for the monopoly comment, just because the government say something, doesnt mean its true.

And here I thought this was a request thread ...

dracflamloc · Post by **dracflamloc** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 8:38 pm

You fanned the flames man... don't look at me.

ANd I can call windows bloated and no its not like calling linux a script kiddie OS. While linux distributions may be bloated with applications, there is a fundamental difference between that and Windows. The windows bloat is directly tied into the OS internals themselves, where with linux you can run a stripped kernel with nothing but a single shell if you want. Therefore it can be as bloated or light as the applications you choose to run on it. With windows you have no choice whether you are running it as a server or a 5 year olds' play toy.

If you don't understand how it works its better to stay silent than make an uninformed comment like that.

Trond · Post by **Trond** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 8:50 pm

I must agree that Windows is bloated. And Windows Vista will be unbelievably bloated. So then I don't know what to do.

But nevertheless, PB programs must be able to know and use Vista.

Shannara · Post by **Shannara** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 10:48 pm

dracflamloc wrote:You fanned the flames man... don't look at me.

Funny, the first reply in this thread prove otherwise.

dracflamloc wrote: ANd I can call windows bloated and no its not like calling linux a script kiddie OS. While linux distributions may be bloated with applications, there is a fundamental difference between that and Windows. The windows bloat is directly tied into the OS internals themselves, where with linux you can run a stripped kernel with nothing but a single shell if you want. Therefore it can be as bloated or light as the applications you choose to run on it. With windows you have no choice whether you are running it as a server or a 5 year olds' play toy.

You are right, with Linux, you can strip it down on the -need only- basis. And because you cannot do that with windows, that mean it's bloat? Definition Of Bloat. For the user side? No. Server side? Perhaps. Depending if you want waste hours or minutes, administrating a server.

When was the last time you ran Windows ... honestly? Do you know the difference between Windows 2003 and Windows XP?

Fortunately, the majority of the computer users are not minimalists nor do they like wasting their life away. A lot of people see computers as a tool, not a life waster. Thus they prefer to use it as a tool. When one OS will take a long time to do the same task another os can do in mere minutes ...

Bloat is in the eye of the beholder. Minimalists will believe everything is bloat. Therefore, Linux is extremely bloated compared to this.

dracflamloc wrote:If you don't understand how it works its better to stay silent than make an uninformed comment like that.

I concur. Then I propose that both of us keep silent do to our uninformed comments.

Trond: I believe if a person believes an OS is bloated, then there are always other options out there to use. People will have different opinions on what is considered bloat and what is not. I use Windows because it contains everything needed. The only thing I do not need is the spyware known as Media Player.

But that's no problem, I do not have to use it. So it takes hard drive space. That's ok, there are tons of that now days. If I believe Windows is too bloated for my use, then I use another OS. MacOS, BSD, Linux, SkyOS comes to mind.

I think, perhaps, the problem is, tons of software companies produce needed software for Windows only. And no other operating systems. When customers become dependant on that software, it is hard, if not impossible, to switch to another OS.

Let's take the following fore-runners. Linux and MacOSX. No big company want to create for OSX, because it's userbase is so small, it's not worth the cost to port the software. And why not linux? It's userbase is so fragmented it's not funny.

KDE or Gnome or something else? Linux's strength is for its componentized structure. It's also the greatest weakness because then you have to develop for several desktops. Why duplicate work, isn't that a waste?

However, for small companies who have lots of time, and want a loyal fanbase ... linux and osx are prime targets ...

dracflamloc · Post by **dracflamloc** » Tue Sep 12, 2006 1:25 am

Just because you don't know how to use linux efficiently from the command line doesn't mean others can't know how, or that its really hard. Anyone who is in charge of systems in any way shape or form should have the basic skills required to efficiently use the linux shell to do their job. It is a well known fact that keyboard use is more efficient than the mouse. Its the benefit of directly typing in exactly what you want done and not worrying about finding a checkbox in some hidden dialog 5 tabs deep.

It is not hard or slower than a GUI.

(Btw, I provided the bait sure... but it was meant as a joke. You fanned it..)

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Also... I am the IT Manager for a fairly large company and I am in charge of over 20 servers, about 10 of which are running server 2003. I'm not ignorant, and I definitely know what I'm talking about.

Joakim Christiansen · Post by **Joakim Christiansen** » Tue Sep 12, 2006 1:56 am

This is the damn "Feature Requests and Wishlists" forum, not the "Linux vs Windows" forum!

Post by **freak** » Tue Sep 12, 2006 3:09 am

Paul · Post by **Paul** » Tue Sep 12, 2006 4:09 am

LOL !

Dare · Post by **Dare** » Tue Sep 12, 2006 5:03 am