Me finally able to make the psi wheel move!

[Joakim Christiansen]

If anything with mind-power could be proved and duplicated then by now it would be patented, copyrighted, and exploited for business, political and military purposes.

I think people have managed to tap and control alpha waves (wiring up a person's head) to get limited success in controlling simple things like the flow of electricity (a train set). But that is using a quantifable thing, there is no mystery, just experiments to see if it was a usable (exploitable) approach.

There are probably many undiscovered and wonderous things in heaven and earth, but IMO the psi-wheel is not one of those wonders.

And I know a guy able to bend spoons with his mind, so cut the crap

[Dare]

so cut the crap

I thought I was.

[Joakim Christiansen]

so cut the crap

I thought I was.

But seriosly there is more between heaven and earth, I have myself seen a ghost once and other strange things, and I also know other people having insane experiences.
I just hate the fact that most people think there is nothing like that, it's like living in a cave!

[thefool]

I just hate the fact that most people think there is nothing like that, it's like living in a cave!

Or, lets call it being reasonable...

[Phoenix]

If you were doing it with your mind, then your hands wouldn't need to be there....... And you still haven't done it with a glass bowl over it.......

[blueznl]

i live in a cave, does that count?

[Joakim Christiansen]

Or, lets call it being reasonable...

It's not reasonable at all...
But whatever, I can't change your minds!

[thefool]

Personally, i find people who believes in this stuff unreasonable...
only stupid (not judging) people belives in this. That is also how i react to people believing in god.. Now don't get mad; i just think.. i've never seen a proof of any of such existing. More proof's to the other side...

Let me see a proof, and ill change my mind.



edit: yes i know a lot of americans believe in god, but this only makes my "only dumb people believes" opinion even larger. Please; do you think one man created it all in 7 days or do you believe the science? Again.. I have seen proof's that we are coming from the monkeys whatever, and that the nature develops. Show me a proof of the other; and i will refine my believings

[Hydrate]

Personally, i find people who believes in this stuff unreasonable...
only stupid (not judging) people belives in this. That is also how i react to people believing in god.. Now don't get mad; i just think.. i've never seen a proof of any of such existing. More proof's to the other side...

Let me see a proof, and ill change my mind.

I agree with you 100% there, i never believe something can be done or exists until i have seen it done, i do not believe in god, or any religion for that matter, i am not spiritual and demand proof before belief, however i believe in this, why? Simple, i HAVE seen it for myself,, i am still not 100% sure, and probably never will be, ive been testing it for a while now, with trhy = move, without = not, is simply all i can get, i can get it to move simply with the heat of my hands in the right conditions as well, or by blowing really carefully, there are loads of ways, but i have seen this work, so call me stupid (i know you mean no offence by it) all you want, but i have reason to believe this is true.

[thefool]

I won't call you stupid. But again i will because i haven't seen it. Only on TV and really, don't believe in everything you see there..

[traumatic]

thefool, what about excercising yourself a bit in tolerance?

I exactly got your point and also I don't have a general, unquestioned
believe in things (I didn't even _think_ about Joakim's mind could be
responsible for the wheel to move to be exact) but I do tolerate other
people doing so and don't bother argueing them into something else.

Saying that believing in certain things that can't be proven scientifically
was stupid or uneducated could be considered stupid and uneducated as
well. Who says the way you (we, I, anyone) live(s) is the correct way?

Some people just don't need a proof for everything, let them be as they
are, it surely won't harm you.

[thefool]

I think you got it all wrong.. Im not trying to argument them into believing something else, i just want them to proove it. I just say; i got a pretty good proof that the heat from the hands and a slightest unfeelable wind can get the wheel moving. I TRIED IT MYSELF!

Saying that believing in certain things that can't be proven scientifically
was stupid or uneducated could be considered stupid and uneducated as
well

Did you just say that i'm stupid?

Who says the way you (we, I, anyone) live(s) is the correct way

I don't say that WE or YOU live the correct way, just that I do..!

Some people just don't need a proof for everything, let them be as they
are, it surely won't harm you.

Sorry, just can't


(tolerance=0 )
nah i didn't mean the above. But i do think that I AM JUST AS MUCH ALLOWED TO PROTEST AGAINST THAT IT IS SUPERNATURAL AND TELEKINESE AS THEY ARE TO TELL ME THAT IT IS!

Nothing about tolerance mr.. Its just about that we are all allowed to argue (At least where i come from. Sorry if You feel that its not right)..

I don't mind people believing in god, i don't have anything against them at all. But i think that I HAVE THE RIGHT to protest against it, just as they have the right to speak FOR the subject.


Get my opion or should i give you more examples

[traumatic]

I think you got it all wrong.. Im not trying to argument them into believing something else, i just want them to proove it.

Yes, maybe I got you wrong (I don't think so though).
Why do you need a proof? It won't change anything anway...

Saying that believing in certain things that can't be proven scientifically
was stupid or uneducated could be considered stupid and uneducated as
well

Did you just say that i'm stupid?

My sentence could be understood that way.

Who says the way you (we, I, anyone) live(s) is the correct way

I don't say that WE or YOU live the correct way, just that I do..!

lol

Some people just don't need a proof for everything, let them be as they
are, it surely won't harm you.

Sorry, just can't

Ok, go on then.

I AM JUST AS MUCH ALLOWED TO PROTEST AGAINST THAT IT IS SUPERNATURAL AND TELEKINESE AS THEY ARE TO TELL ME THAT IT IS!

Of course you are, never said you weren't. I don't suffer from hearing loss btw.

[thefool]

Yes, maybe I got you wrong (I don't think so though).
Why do you need a proof? It won't change anything anway...

because they can't get any proof's.. so that way i already prooved them WRONG by being the only one with proof's.. Be- and think smart...

My sentence could be understood that way, yes.

Thanks a lot.. Did i call you stupid?

Ok, go on then.

Already decided to do that, but i feel much better with your approval... really!

Of course you are, never said you weren't. I don't suffer from hearing loss btw.

You actually somehow said that i weren't.. And about the hearing loss; you can still have bad eyes and hear good...

[traumatic]

[...] because they can't get any proof's.. so that way i already prooved them WRONG by being the only one with proof's.. Be- and think smart...

That's what I meant, some people don't need a proof for everything, they
believe, they don't want to know. Not necessarily wrong IMHO.
Just a different view. (A view you don't have to share of course.)

My sentence could be understood that way, yes.

Thanks a lot.. Did i call you stupid?

I didn't call you stupid, all I wrote was:

Saying that believing in certain things that can't be proven scientifically
was stupid or uneducated could be considered stupid and uneducated as
well

and

My sentence could be understood that way

Actually I can't call anyone stupid when asking for tolerance at the same time, can I?

Ok, go on then.

Already decided to do that, but i feel much better with your approval... really!

Funny, really.

Of course you are, never said you weren't. I don't suffer from hearing loss btw.

You actually somehow said that i weren't..

No, I did not.