ALLTV-RADIO - Updated and now for Free

Pantcho!! · Post by **Pantcho!!** » Thu Feb 09, 2006 9:07 am

Nice GUI fun and easy.
This kind of program is available at market also.

regarding legel of selling, i think its legel!
the program manages streams and for managing streams and index them you can charge since its our nature to seek for media, this is kidna orginizer of streaming.
and thats can be a good reason for selling it.

second if you want the program to work damn good you should program a button that auto updates broken links!
lets say a user uses your program and he gets upset there are few broken links.. should do a button that its intention is to update the broken links in a working one.
i recommand you do on the server side a program that checks valid links each 10 min if your going commercial.

another suggestion, put a DOWNLOAD plugins button for people who dont use or know realplayer.

good luck.

dmoc · Post by **dmoc** » Thu Feb 09, 2006 9:41 am

Nice app. Not too sure about the wooden effect. Full screen option?

Edit: would I buy it? Not sure because I think there are free options.

SFSxOI · Post by **SFSxOI** » Fri Feb 10, 2006 7:47 pm

I was a little delayed in fully attempting to use this thing. It runs, but doesnt work for me. Complains about security settings for active X. I tried changing them, they work fine with everything else, just not this. I know the problems probably on my end but i can't get it to work.

benny · Post by **benny** » Fri Feb 10, 2006 9:20 pm

Hi again.

I am still thinking about the legal question about this kind of software.
What SFSxOI wrote was rather interesting ... but it is according to US law
only. The special thing of this kind of software is however that it uses
"data" from sources round the world.

SFSxOI wrote: Its not legal in the US if the material in the stream is being re-distributed
for a fee in some manner without proper permission or licensing. Its not
legal in the US if the material is provided free and someone charges you
to receive the material on a subscription basis. However, if you purchase
software to receive the material and do not need to subscribe or pay a
regular fee or royality to continue to use the software to receive the
material then there are no legal problems.

I don't get it why it is not legal if the material in the stream is being
re-distributed for a fee (1st sentence) but it is legal to charge a
one-time fee for the software itselfs.

SFSxOI wrote: In short, the product would be legal if it was only a one time purchase with
no continuing fees or any of that stuff because it would be no different
then purchasing a television to watch off-air public broadcasts.

Does anybody know how the legal matters in different countries

From my naive understanding what is right or wrong it might cause a prob-
lem if you release a program such as this one with preinstalled URL to
download. Because some TV station might claim that potential buyers
might just buy the product because of the preselected programs.

Furthermore, imagine a website from a small local TV station which uses
their stream as a advertising tool to get more visits on their site (page hits).
With the existence of such a tool there won't be an increase of visitors but
the increase of bandwidth still remains (=which means cost for the TV
station).

In my eyes a possible way I could imagine would be to release and sell
such a program barely without any preinstalled URL-streams. So the buyer
just pays for the program itself.

Then you might offer an install-list with URL-streams which can be read by
the program as freeware.

Any comment on this idea concerning legal aspects

:roll:

@zikitrake:

Please do not get me wrong that I want you to drop your project. I am
just really interested in the legal thing behind such programs because I
have a similar project (nothing to do with TV streams) in mind.

SFSxOI · Post by **SFSxOI** » Sat Feb 11, 2006 1:36 am

I'm not a legal person, i had just asked the question of one of our leagl staff after seeing some posts about it. I think the thing about the fees is this; the one time fee to purchase the software (the money you pay for the product - in this case the software product) needs to be just that - just like you walked into a software store and purchased it, you pay for it and don't have to keep paying for it to keep using it to receive the streams - if you had to keep paying for the software to keep receiving the streams then that would be the same as charging a fee for the streams which are free to begin with and amounts to re-distributing the stream which would not be legal. The reason it would be legal to charge a one time fee for the software its self would be bacause its not considered to have been used for its intended purpose until after you buy it so the one time payment would be legal. Actually we are confusing terms here, your not paying a 'fee' for the software when you buy it, you are purchasing it just like any other product. So if after you purchase it there are no fees then due for its continued use, the use of the software would be legal to receive the free material, but if there is a fee then its re-distributing the material which would not be legal because the material is free to begin with, in short the software company would be charging you for something that was free to begin with that they did not own and thats not legal. Its not legal to sell something you dont own.

To borrow a part of your example, it would not be legal for example for us to take regular local off the air broadcast TV thats avaiable to anyone with a television and then sell a box that people hook up to their televisions to get the same off air broadcast and charge money for people to use the box each month. that would be re-distribution and would not be legal because they don't own the free material to begin with. Once again, its not legal to sell something you dont own.

And no, before you think that "Well cable TV does the same thing" - actually they don't, the fee you pay for cable TV each month is for the content the cable company provides, in the US you don't get charged for local off the air broadcasts that anyone can get with a regular television without cable TV hooked up. If seems like your getting charged for it because the fee the cable company charges doesn't break it out like that because they just charge a flat fee for their content without the local broadcast TV.

now there, were both confused

Of course i asked the question in a general way, and the answer i got was a general cover-everything type answer.

benny wrote:Hi again.

I am still thinking about the legal question about this kind of software.
What SFSxOI wrote was rather interesting ... but it is according to US law
only. The special thing of this kind of software is however that it uses
"data" from sources round the world.

SFSxOI wrote: Its not legal in the US if the material in the stream is being re-distributed
for a fee in some manner without proper permission or licensing. Its not
legal in the US if the material is provided free and someone charges you
to receive the material on a subscription basis. However, if you purchase
software to receive the material and do not need to subscribe or pay a
regular fee or royality to continue to use the software to receive the
material then there are no legal problems.
I don't get it why it is not legal if the material in the stream is being
re-distributed for a fee (1st sentence) but it is legal to charge a
one-time fee for the software itselfs.

SFSxOI wrote: In short, the product would be legal if it was only a one time purchase with
no continuing fees or any of that stuff because it would be no different
then purchasing a television to watch off-air public broadcasts.
Does anybody know how the legal matters in different countries

From my naive understanding what is right or wrong it might cause a prob-
lem if you release a program such as this one with preinstalled URL to
download. Because some TV station might claim that potential buyers
might just buy the product because of the preselected programs.

Furthermore, imagine a website from a small local TV station which uses
their stream as a advertising tool to get more visits on their site (page hits).
With the existence of such a tool there won't be an increase of visitors but
the increase of bandwidth still remains (=which means cost for the TV
station).

In my eyes a possible way I could imagine would be to release and sell
such a program barely without any preinstalled URL-streams. So the buyer
just pays for the program itself.

Then you might offer an install-list with URL-streams which can be read by
the program as freeware.

Any comment on this idea concerning legal aspects :roll:

@zikitrake:

Please do not get me wrong that I want you to drop your project. I am
just really interested in the legal thing behind such programs because I
have a similar project (nothing to do with TV streams) in mind.

Post by **Andre** » Sat Feb 11, 2006 5:11 pm

@zikitrake: would be cool, if you put your project into the Showcase on www.PureArea.net too

zikitrake · Post by **zikitrake** » Sat Feb 11, 2006 6:06 pm

Pantcho!! I don't know (for now) how can I do an auto updates broken links for mms:// and rstp:// links (any ideas are welcome!)

dmoc, wooden effect is temporal

SFSxOI :S, I use Realplayer v10 and MediaPlayer 9.0. I'll see it.

benny, don't worry... I appreciate really your interest and words (I'm looking for information about it)

Andre, Of course!!!.. but I need works on it more time

(Actually, I'm working to save audio process, but only works for .WAV for now :S)

SFSxOI · Post by **SFSxOI** » Sun Feb 12, 2006 12:22 am

I'm using media player 10. Dont have real player installed.

zikitrake wrote:Pantcho!! I don't know (for now) how can I do an auto updates broken links for mms:// and rstp:// links (any ideas are welcome!)

dmoc, wooden effect is temporal

SFSxOI :S, I use Realplayer v10 and MediaPlayer 9.0. I'll see it.

benny, don't worry... I appreciate really your interest and words (I'm looking for information about it)

Andre, Of course!!!.. but I need works on it more time

(Actually, I'm working to save audio process, but only works for .WAV for now :S)

benny · Post by **benny** » Sun Feb 12, 2006 1:04 pm

@SFSxOI:

Thanks for your answer and good examples. It makes the basic key thing
clear.

If anyone else has legal information about similar programs, let us know

@zikitrake:

Wow - "save audio process"-option sounds very promising

zikitrake · Post by **zikitrake** » Mon Feb 13, 2006 10:26 pm

Updated:
-Add Favorites.
-Add very-beta-save sound.... (don't works fine and only in wav format... and limits to 2 minutes.. and... and... and...)
-Bugfixed

http://usuarios.arsystel.com/mga2002/pb/alltv.zip

Anyone know how can convert a WAV to WMA or MP3 format?

Regards!

buzzqw · Post by **buzzqw** » Wed Feb 15, 2006 11:16 am

mp3 : lame ?
wma : windows media encoder...

look at winamp plugins

BHH

zikitrake · Post by **zikitrake** » Wed Feb 15, 2006 1:07 pm

buzzqw wrote:mp3 : lame ?
wma : windows media encoder...

look at winamp plugins

BHH

Thank you! I'll see about it

Blade · Post by **Blade** » Wed Feb 15, 2006 11:10 pm

Hint:
Double-click the video for fullscreen

utopiomania · Post by **utopiomania** » Wed Feb 15, 2006 11:17 pm

Nice app, Zikitrake!

How do you code this kind of stuff though? I would like to give it a try myself.

zikitrake · Post by **zikitrake** » Thu Feb 16, 2006 5:58 am

Blade wrote:Hint:
Double-click the video for fullscreen

Yes! I forgot to comment it (with Realplayer, top-left button to fullscreen)

utopiomania I use a webgadget and a personalized channels list to do it