PB coder needed

dkirk · Post by **dkirk** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 10:21 pm

dmoc wrote:Sure do, I did loads of programming in TopSpeed Modula2 compiler (oh, those were the days!). I liked Clarion as well but it got expensive no?

The Modula2 compiler still functions in the current Clarion product, which has gotten expensive. I believe the "professional" version is now around $800 and the "Enterprise" is over $1,300 or so. The database functionality is really nice and the product just never fights me.

dkirk · Post by **dkirk** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 10:29 pm

Ok, sorry

for the delay, but here is the URL of the request of project proposal: http://www.flinthomes.net/pbcoder/
I hope it's understandable and wish I could have taken the time to make a more formal proposal, but I think it presents the ideas I have in mind. I'm extremely open to all ideas and want to see what PB can do. I won't have access to e-mail very often this weekend so you may not hear anything back from me until Monday the 16th. Have a great weekend folks!

thefool · Post by **thefool** » Sat Jan 14, 2006 12:03 am

hah this got me laughing:

We're not Micro$oft so we cannot pay like them, but at the same time what I envision this application to be is also not some $100 shareware program.

DO you realize what you can get for 100$??

http://www.flstudio.com/ Express edition: 49$ (most expensive is about 350$ though)

http://www.lostmarble.com/moho/index.shtml
Great 2d and 3d animation creator.

Purebasic, you know the address..

Do you realize that these app's all have 10 times the source code lines you want to hire someone to make?

Heck even visual c++.net is under 100$ or about that (standard edition)

oh sorry i'll shut up now

Okay if it wasnt because i am on a project i would make a try. Dont have the time but im sure someone else here got the time and skills.

dmoc · Post by **dmoc** » Sat Jan 14, 2006 12:21 am

@thefool: what you have to realise is this is not some generic app for the masses but a key component of a business. Effectively it's the businesses shopfront and if you get it wrong then you may seriously damage that business. Regarding costs I've done projects where my time alone is, for example, £30k and the total project cost around £120k (and this would be a small-medium project). Why? Because to get it right you factor in proper analysis, robust design, thorough testing and initial support, not to mention documentation, training, etc, etc. I don't suggest dkirk's app would cost anything like this but it requires proper due consideration none the less.

thefool · Post by **thefool** » Sat Jan 14, 2006 12:27 am

dmoc wrote:@thefool: what you have to realise is this is not some generic app for the masses but a key component of a business. Effectively it's the businesses shopfront and if you get it wrong then you may seriously damage that business. Regarding costs I've done projects where my time alone is, for example, £30k and the total project cost around £120k (and this would be a small-medium project). Why? Because to get it right you factor in proper analysis, robust design, thorough testing and initial support, not to mention documentation, training, etc, etc. I don't suggest dkirk's app would cost anything like this but it requires proper due consideration none the less.

Oh im not saying that its a bad offer! Its a geniue app.
What i meant was that ImageLine has sold for way more than £30k by
letting the price go low.
Its a rather large company now.

What i meant was he shouldnt compare with a 100$ shareware app, as sometimes they are very very advanced. And i WILL assure you i would rather code his app than doing Moho or purebasic, or FLStudio..
Flstudio is special though as they got more buying the expensier versions of course.

dmoc · Post by **dmoc** » Sat Jan 14, 2006 12:54 am

ok, I agree, tha $ value of some shareware apps definately do *not* reflect their value (how would anyone even begin to value some of the excellent freeware apps!).

@dkirk (and anyone else trying the db): on XP you may get an error about cshtpl32.dll not found. You can get this from >Webzila<

Jan Vooijs · Post by **Jan Vooijs** » Sat Jan 14, 2006 12:55 am

Dkirk,

mmm not al all "impossible".

But I have a few questions.

Question1: Do i understand correctly that the XML - file is to be read from YOUR website every time the program (aka CD) is run?

Q2: snipit from your website: "This application needs to be CD-ROM aware and do no file updating" so we are NOT allowed to store any file onto the users cumputer? Then how do we go about with an INI file? Store them on YOUR website? Using an id number (client number)? Since version 1 is allowed to do just that and version 2 is not allowed?

Q3: If there are any updates where are we allowed to store them? Since we are not allowed? See question (2) above?

Q4; Is everything in just ONE executable or are any DLL's alowed? For say the acrobat reader?

Q5: You want to alert user that your service is "down" but that is only possible with users who are on-line 24/7, not with the clients who dial up?!

You are not Micro$oft, that means the total sum you pay for the program is the $100 ??

You want the source code of the application, no problem.

For now these are the results...

Jan Vooijs

thefool · Post by **thefool** » Sat Jan 14, 2006 1:01 am

dmoc wrote:ok, I agree, tha $ value of some shareware apps definately do *not* reflect their value (how would anyone even begin to value some of the excellent freeware apps!).

Yeah the value of certain freeware tools cant even be estimated.. Blender for example.. Or OpenOffice etc..

Thanks for the dll it didnt work here either!

dkirk · Post by **dkirk** » Sat Jan 14, 2006 2:57 am

dmoc wrote:you may get an error about cshtpl32.dll not found. You can get this from >Webzila<

My mistake

, I was in a hurry ... yeah, that's the HTTP control from Catalyst.

dkirk · Post by **dkirk** » Sat Jan 14, 2006 3:00 am

thefool wrote:DO you realize what you can get for 100$??

Yes I do know, and that is not what I meant by that statement. I was trying to say, and apparantly not very effectively, that I fully realize that this isn't a little application that you'll whip up in an afternoon and only get $100 for it.

dkirk · Post by **dkirk** » Sat Jan 14, 2006 3:10 am

Jan Vooijs wrote:Question1: Do i understand correctly that the XML - file is to be read from YOUR website every time the program (aka CD) is run?

Not when run from the CD, when run from CD everything is RO and you run with whatever is found defaulted on the CD.

Jan Vooijs wrote:Q2: snipit from your website: "This application needs to be CD-ROM aware and do no file updating" so we are NOT allowed to store any file onto the users cumputer? Then how do we go about with an INI file? Store them on YOUR website? Using an id number (client number)? Since version 1 is allowed to do just that and version 2 is not allowed?

No, when run from the CD, read everything from the CD, absolutely NO Internet activity. All of the update stuff only occurs if the application is running from the HD.

Jan Vooijs wrote:Q4; Is everything in just ONE executable or are any DLL's alowed? For say the acrobat reader?

Tell my why you would want it one way or another.

Jan Vooijs wrote:Q5: You want to alert user that your service is "down" but that is only possible with users who are on-line 24/7, not with the clients who dial up?!

If the application is running, on the HD, and the Internet connection is live then watch for the emergency warning signal, whatever that may be.

Jan Vooijs wrote:You are not Micro$oft, that means the total sum you pay for the program is the $100 ??

I really regret saying that ... no, I realize that you will want more than $100, I'm trying to absolute low-ball someone when I do realize how much work this is. Tell me how much you want me to pay, that's all I ask. Those above me will ultimately decide if what you are asking is worth the project. I'm trying to spread some work around what I believe to be some very gifted programmers, don't everyone dwell on that $100 remark.

dmoc · Post by **dmoc** » Sat Jan 14, 2006 3:13 am

don't everyone dwell on that $100 remark

I can tell you are new here. Wait until you get a comma out of place! These guys are the most anal I have ever met

netmaestro · Post by **netmaestro** » Sat Jan 14, 2006 3:22 am

These guys are the most anal I've ever met

That really bums me out, especially coming from the "colon"ies.

dmoc · Post by **dmoc** » Sat Jan 14, 2006 3:24 am

Post by **Dare2** » Sat Jan 14, 2006 3:27 am